Pat Condell: "The ugliest newspaper in Britain"

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01 Aug 2012, 2:29 pm

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01 Aug 2012, 2:33 pm

Exactly. I think these readers are confusing practising multicultural living with simply inviting people over from multiple backgrounds and cultures and tolerating them (which apparently falls short of multiculturalism). They feel by supporting only the latter, they are supporting the former and go round championing something they don't fully comprehend the meaning of.

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01 Aug 2012, 2:50 pm

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What I've always found interesting was this. The people who invited Moroccans over by the tens of thousands never lived in the same neighbourhoods. Instead, they directed it all from the good part of The Hague, or from city halls in business districts in other large cities. There was only one politician I can remember who lived in a neighbourhood full of foreigners - and he was against our current immigration policies until he was murdered. That's the situation we see - the people who defend multiculturalism a lot live in the most monocultural neighbourhoods in the country, literally.

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01 Aug 2012, 5:22 pm

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- the people who defend multiculturalism a lot live in the most monocultural neighbourhoods in the country, literally.

Diversity is really just for the little people, not the lofty and enlightened upper class.

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01 Aug 2012, 5:41 pm

I don't regularly read the Guardian so I have no idea how true this is (particularly with regards to Hamas- here they list atrocities committed by Palestinians as well as Israelis so it isn't entirely lop sided), but it is a damn sight better than the Daily Mail.

As was discussed in the recent Israel/Palestine thread, thinking that Israel has done some crappy things doesn't make you anti-Semitic, just as thinking the same about Palestine doesn't make you Islamophobic.

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01 Aug 2012, 7:21 pm

Raptor wrote:

Diversity is really just for the little people, not the lofty and enlightened upper class.

Exactly. If you visit a vocational school, it's all kinds of people mixed together in a clumsy way, often sticking to ethnic and cultural cliques as they do in real life - Turkish entrepreneurs mainly cater to Turkish consumers even in Western Europe. If you visit a university, you're much less likely to find Arabs or Africans. I once attended a 'celebrating-future-top-students' ceremony at a university, and I noticed that, out of over a hundred people, I could see none who were black or muslim. One muslim girl had attended that course, but she was not at the closing ceremony and she had skipped several courses, being rather emotional over something I have no doubt was quite nasty. Statistically, you could expect at least five muslims, but there were none. Chinese people, Indonesian people and European people were over-represented.

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01 Aug 2012, 7:50 pm

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Tequila wrote:

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For example, they call themselves liberal, yet they're often the most enthusiastic about censoring the opinions of others, which is about the most illiberal thing you can do.

This is because The Guardian is written by and for the same narrow class of patronising know-it-all pinheads who have stolen the BBC from the rest of us and destroyed its impartiality. The kind of people who are so smug in their shallow certainties and so sure of the moral superiority of their views that they have no compunction about slandering anyone who disagrees as a fascist or a crank.

Does that sound like anyone we know? :lol:

I actually prefer the Guardian to the Telegraph, granted you have to put with the Polly Toynbees et al but the Guardian at least attempts to keep some of its reputation as a broadsheet. By contrast the Telegraph is perfectly happy to print flat out lies and when challenged will remove content without printing a correction or apology, the drivel that comes out of Christopher booker or James Delingpole has no place in grown up civilised discussion.

Exactly, it's hardly like the The Telegraph is any better. There is so much drivel in that paper. I only read The Guardian Weekend magazine because my partner buys it. The Independent doesn't offer much that you couldn't get online.

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01 Aug 2012, 7:53 pm

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Wew! He sure gave the left a good thrashing today.
:cheers:

No, he 'thrashed' a newspaper and its readers, not the entire left.

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01 Aug 2012, 8:00 pm

puddingmouse wrote:

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Wew! He sure gave the left a good thrashing today.
:cheers:

No, he 'thrashed' a newspaper and its readers, not the entire left.

Oops, I misspelled Guardian.
My bad.
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01 Aug 2012, 8:11 pm

Raptor wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Wew! He sure gave the left a good thrashing today.
:cheers:

No, he 'thrashed' a newspaper and its readers, not the entire left.

Oops, I misspelled Guardian.
My bad.
:wink:

This joke is predictably going to be made, so I'll get there first.

The writers at the Guardian (Grauniad) can't spell it, either.

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02 Aug 2012, 10:29 am

puddingmouse wrote:

This joke is predictably going to be made, so I'll get there first.

The writers at the Guardian (Grauniad) can't spell it, either.

I don't get it. :huh:

Is this an inside European joke?

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02 Aug 2012, 10:46 am

ArrantPariah wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

This joke is predictably going to be made, so I'll get there first.

The writers at the Guardian (Grauniad) can't spell it, either.

I don't get it. :huh:

Is this an inside European joke?

The paper's nickname The Grauniad originated with the satirical magazine Private Eye. This anagram played on The Guardian's reputation for frequent typographical errors in the past, such as misspelling its own name as "The Gaurdian".

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02 Aug 2012, 4:00 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:

puddingmouse wrote:

This joke is predictably going to be made, so I'll get there first.

The writers at the Guardian (Grauniad) can't spell it, either.

I don't get it. :huh:

Is this an inside European joke?

There's no such thing as an inside European joke. The UK and France share as many jokes as the US and Panama.
Tequila explains it, the Grauniad has a reputation for typographical mistakes.

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02 Aug 2012, 5:39 pm

Whoever wrote that needs to get out more.

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02 Aug 2012, 6:47 pm

eddyr wrote:

Whoever wrote that needs to get out more.

Whoever wrote what?

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03 Aug 2012, 12:08 pm

Demonizing a single journal in a free press marketplace is an exercise in pissing in the wind.

Do we care that The Guardian or The Times are mouthpieces for a singular point of view? No--because we have the opportunity to take our news from a multiplicity of sources. It's perfectly correct to heap disdain on The Guardian, just as I heap disdain on The Daily Mirror. But it is the height of folly to disregard either as a source of news.

And for the North Americans in the room, here is a simple (simplistic) guide to some of the British dailies:

Yes Minister wrote:

The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country;
The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country;
The Times is read by people who actually do run the country;
The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country;
The Financial Times is read by people who own the country;
The Morning Star is read by people who think the country ought to be run by another country;
and The Daily Telegraph is read by people who think it is.
Sun readers don't care who runs the country, as long as she's got big tits.

Frankly, the only newspaper that gets news consistently correct, in the absence of partisan bias, is The Economist.

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