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AceOfSpades
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13 Aug 2012, 4:29 pm

visagrunt wrote:
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You guys don't get it.

I'm not saying that domestic violence constitutes slavery as it is defined and is therefore being unenforced. I'm saying the definition of slavery ought to be expanded to include domestic violence. I'm not stating facts, I'm stating opinions.

I'm aware that the law doesn't work on the basis of "for all intents and purposes". All "intents and purposes" is simply my rationale for why the definition of slavery should be expanded.


But that's not what you said in your original post. You simply suggested using a charge of "slavery" as a means of getting at the problem of domestic violence. You cannot blame the audience for failing to make the logical leaps that you have failed to put in words.
Yeah I f****d up on that.

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For the most part, the system is burdened by petty crap (which I won't get into in this thread) not serious crimes. Get those outta the way and the system has a lot more leeway to address domestic violence.


So why, then, redefine anything at all? Get the pretty crap out of the way, and actually start prosecuting domestic violence under the existing crimes that all carry sentences that would be more sufficient to the purpose.
It's just semantics, but it shows the severity of the crime and emphasizes that it isn't just an act of violence but a persistent act of restricting freedom in every aspect of the victim's life. Anyways now that I think of it, it's a stupid idea since rape doesn't even get you 25 to life. I would like to see increased sentencing for domestic violence but it makes light of rape with that sort of sentence.



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18 Aug 2012, 12:46 am

How about we just increase the penalty on domestic violence? 5 years minimum for first offense, 15 years minimum for second. Same thing for stalking. Does the same thing without ignoring the differences between domestic violence and slavery.



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20 Aug 2012, 10:21 am

AceOfSpades wrote:
It's just semantics, but it shows the severity of the crime and emphasizes that it isn't just an act of violence but a persistent act of restricting freedom in every aspect of the victim's life. Anyways now that I think of it, it's a stupid idea since rape doesn't even get you 25 to life. I would like to see increased sentencing for domestic violence but it makes light of rape with that sort of sentence.


I disagree with you about nomenclature--I don't think changing the name emphasized the severity, I think it simply dilutes the word. In a world in which, "wage slave," is an acceptable description of employment standards, we can already see the word becoming normalized. The severity is emphasized through the penalties, and through the social stigma that follows. It doesn't matter whether we call it, "slavery," "domestic violence," or, "wife beating," the point is that we should not tolerate the behaviour in our communities and young men should be made to see the consequences of such action.

On the issue of sentencing, I am torn. While I believe that crimes like sexual assault--even sexual assault that falls short of rape--and domestic violence should be dealt with severely, I do not think that the length of sentence is a particularly effective method. Criminal law has more purposes than simply punishment and deterrence, and while long sentences give us a sense of wish fulfillment, I am not persuaded that they are are effective at protecting the community and in particularly in preventing future crime.


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