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04 Sep 2012, 2:45 am

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Pat is a lovely example of thinking with blinders on.

He seems to hate bigots that are not the same type of bigot as himself.

how clever.


WRONG!! !! !! !! !

Pat has no problem with superstitious nonesense so long as nobody tries to ram it down his throat.
I have the same view myself btw.



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04 Sep 2012, 2:49 am

Before any Christian here starts a crusade against Islam....................
............remember the witch burners?????

I regard all religion as a silly supstitious nonesense.

Do you all still believe in the tooth fairy?
What about Father Christmas?



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04 Sep 2012, 7:37 am

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Before any Christian here starts a crusade against Islam....................
............remember the witch burners?????

I regard all religion as a silly supstitious nonesense.

Do you all still believe in the tooth fairy?
What about Father Christmas?


I would criticize all religions equally.



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04 Sep 2012, 7:51 am

Why is this still a problem? I honestly can't understand it.
People are so petty.



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04 Sep 2012, 9:16 am

Jono wrote:
piroflip wrote:
Before any Christian here starts a crusade against Islam....................
............remember the witch burners?????

I regard all religion as a silly supstitious nonesense.

Do you all still believe in the tooth fairy?
What about Father Christmas?


I would criticize all religions equally.


How many Amish strap on explosive devices, blow up airplanes, or blow up abortion clinics?

ruveyn



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04 Sep 2012, 9:27 am

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Jono wrote:
piroflip wrote:
Before any Christian here starts a crusade against Islam....................
............remember the witch burners?????

I regard all religion as a silly supstitious nonesense.

Do you all still believe in the tooth fairy?
What about Father Christmas?


I would criticize all religions equally.


How many Amish strap on explosive devices, blow up airplanes, or blow up abortion clinics?

ruveyn

I suppose you must hate all Germans too.



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04 Sep 2012, 9:28 am

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I suppose you must hate all Germans too.



Huh? I have no issues with Germans born since 1942. They are in no way responsible for what happened prior.

Ditto for Japanese born since 1942. Same reason.

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04 Sep 2012, 9:44 am

ruveyn wrote:
Jono wrote:
piroflip wrote:
Before any Christian here starts a crusade against Islam....................
............remember the witch burners?????

I regard all religion as a silly supstitious nonesense.

Do you all still believe in the tooth fairy?
What about Father Christmas?


I would criticize all religions equally.


How many Amish strap on explosive devices, blow up airplanes, or blow up abortion clinics?

ruveyn


I would still somewhat level a criticism against the Amish for their rejection of modern technology and isolationism from the outside world as well as their occasional refusal to have medical treatment. Obviously, however, they do not pose a problem to me or others the same the someone who straps a bomb to themselves in the name of their faith. Therefore I would not criticize them as often, I did not mean to say that all religions are equal, just that most of them are irrational.



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04 Sep 2012, 9:47 am

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I suppose you must hate all Germans too.



Huh? I have no issues with Germans born since 1942. They are in no way responsible for what happened prior.

Ditto for Japanese born since 1942. Same reason.

ruveyn


So you have a problem with anyone who exists in a population when any member of that population does something you disagree with.
Do you disagree with witch trials? If so do you then hate anyone who was born before the late 1690s?
How about early americans, do you hate everyone born before the abolishment of slavery, how about everyone born before the end of the subjugation of native americans.
How about Mexicans, do you hate Mexicans because some of them traffic drugs into our country?
Or blacks because some of them are in gangs that kill people?

Do you hate the Japanese Americans born before 1942 and had nothing to do with japan at the time?
How about German Americans during Hitler's Crusades.
Or even the poor Germans who did not speak up for fear they would disappear in the middle of the night and their families burned alive in their beds? though you already said that you do.


Its funny that ignorant people will hold an entire cast of people responsible for what literally a couple dozen radicals do.



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04 Sep 2012, 9:54 am

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Before any Christian here starts a crusade against Islam....................
............remember the witch burners??????


Yes, and those of us in the modern, civilised world are embarrassed and ashamed that we sank to such disgraceful and savage depths (not just witch burnings, but the whole host of Christian savagery and madness that dominated Europe and North America for centuries). Witch burning is a part of the local history of where I live - the Pendle witches and so on. We only left that crap behind through a gradual process of modernisation, secularisation and liberalisation.

Which is why are so horrified when we see Saudis, Afghans, Somalis, Pakistanis, Iranians et al repeating the very same practices we abandoned centuries ago.



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04 Sep 2012, 9:55 am

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Abandoned when we still have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan,


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04 Sep 2012, 9:59 am

piroflip wrote:
Pat has no problem with superstitious nonesense so long as nobody tries to ram it down his throat.
I have the same view myself btw.


He'd rather the entire job lot disappeared altogether of course, but yes, he has no problem with people who obey the law, don't threaten violence when criticism and satire is aimed at their precious beliefs and keep themselves to themselves.



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04 Sep 2012, 10:00 am

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Abandoned when we still have troops in Iraq and Afghanistan,


I personally don't agree with either of those troops being there either. They're unwinnable. Afghanistan and Iraq are mainly tribal, sectarian, savage hellholes. They need to be dragged into civilisation, but they'll have to be left to do it themselves (without Western help, technology or immigration).



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04 Sep 2012, 10:04 am

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ruveyn wrote:
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I suppose you must hate all Germans too.



Huh? I have no issues with Germans born since 1942. They are in no way responsible for what happened prior.

Ditto for Japanese born since 1942. Same reason.

ruveyn


So you have a problem with anyone who exists in a population when any member of that population does something you disagree with.
Do you disagree with witch trials? If so do you then hate anyone who was born before the late 1690s?
How about early americans, do you hate everyone born before the abolishment of slavery, how about everyone born before the end of the subjugation of native americans.
How about Mexicans, do you hate Mexicans because some of them traffic drugs into our country?
Or blacks because some of them are in gangs that kill people?

Do you hate the Japanese Americans born before 1942 and had nothing to do with japan at the time?
How about German Americans during Hitler's Crusades.
Or even the poor Germans who did not speak up for fear they would disappear in the middle of the night and their families burned alive in their beds? though you already said that you do.


Its funny that ignorant people will hold an entire cast of people responsible for what literally a couple dozen radicals do.


You do understand that there's a difference between criticizing beliefs and hating people who hold those beliefs, don't you?



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04 Sep 2012, 10:15 am

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Its funny that ignorant people will hold an entire cast of people responsible for what literally a couple dozen radicals do.


Nearly 20,000 Islamic terrorist attacks have been committed since 11 September 2001.

There have been very, very few Christian terrorists. Even the likes of Breivik and McVeigh couldn't be called "Christian" terrorists. And Northern Ireland wasn't a religious conflict either, but a national one.



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04 Sep 2012, 10:35 am

Jono wrote:
You do understand that there's a difference between criticizing beliefs and hating people who hold those beliefs, don't you?


You do understand that there's a difference between criticizing beliefs and hating people simply because of what a few dozen radicals did, don't you?

Neither the Muslim culture nor the Qur'an command that you run passenger plains into buildings or blow yourself up in a crowded plaza.
To hold an entire nation of people who for the most part want nothing to do with this responsible is pure ignorance.
To deny them their basic rights as human beings, to invade their country and murder innocent civilians, to torture innocent men until they lie and tell you what you want just for the slightest hope you will let them rot away in a cell.
This is hate and should not be tolerated let alone encouraged.



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Mike_Garrick wrote:
Its funny that ignorant people will hold an entire cast of people responsible for what literally a couple dozen radicals do.


Nearly 20,000 Islamic terrorist attacks have been committed since 11 September 2001.

There have been very, very few Christian terrorists. Even the likes of Breivik and McVeigh couldn't be called "Christian" terrorists. And Northern Ireland wasn't a religious conflict either, but a national one.

Maybe because we declared war on them?
Do you not expect a nation to respond hostilely against an invading nation?
I wonder, why does no one keep track of the amount of unfounded American attacks on innocent Muslim towns.
Why do we not take count of the innocent people we kill?

In my opinion "terrorists attacks" stopped being terrorist attacks when we declared war and counted a farmer defending his children from us as a terrorist attack.

You might want to recheck your history as even with my very pitiful knowledge of it I know that Christians have along rich history of terror.
They very often killed those who would not convert and went on righteous crusades and holy wars in the name of god.