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20 Sep 2012, 2:58 pm

While I do not condone anyone making fun of anyone's beliefs, his religion or whomever he chose to be his or her messiah, prophet or god, I cannot believe that western countries even CONSIDER giving in to the mindless hating that occurs in the islamistic countries. Are they out of their minds? Since when do we give in to what is essentially a terorist threat? Like I said, I do not support making fun of muslims, but it is one of the most noble rights in our western society that whomever wants to express his criticism that way is free to do so. And yet here we are discussing banning videos, and forbidding opinions? Whatever happened to freedom of speech? It is not so much a problem of Islam per se, the stupid people rioting in the streets, killing innocent people are just uncultured, barbaric, cavemen void of any reason that happen to be muslim, and I cannot understand how anyone could even attempt to appease them. I am no violent person, but it infuriates me that people use their religion as disguise and excuse for murder and mayhem, then they should be met with extreme prejudice and force. If I were muslim, I would feel ashamed. Heck, I already feel ashamed to belong to the same species as them.



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20 Sep 2012, 3:00 pm

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Good grief.

What. A. Tool.


Should we ban free speech then?

He is absolutely spot on. The hypocrisy that comes from perpetually offended Muslims (more than one by a long shot but definitely less than all - there are quite a few Muslims out there who can see past the hate, try their best to fit in outside their ghettoes and campaign against the hatred that many Muslim communities are saturated with and are therefore widely hated in their communities) is quite insane. You only have to look at the hate that comes out of numerous Arab countries - it really does speak for itself. Muslims in Arab countries are taught from childhood to hate Jews - not Israelis, not Zionists, Jews.

Holocaust denial, for example, is mainstream on Arab television networks and anti-Semitism is enormously popular in almost all Arab countries. I suggest you go to MEMRI TV and educate yourself.

We've allowed to let a monster settle in Europe and, unless Islam seriously reforms to fit in with Western society (I suspect that many Muslims actually are nominally atheist, but are too under threat to actually formally announce their secularism), things aren't going to end well.

I do hope there are far, far more "offensive" cartoons, movies, articles, the lot. If we give up this battle, we'll end up with a Saudi-style society.


I, too, await an adequate response from Hopper... My hadith collection is just screaming for a chance to be cited...


Then you'll want to make yourself comfortable. My head is not with the Islam thing at the moment. I've made many an argument on several threads on this forum already, which would probably cover much of anything I have to say anyway.

I just wanted to note the tool-ness of Mr Condell, as others had noted their approval of him.


His tool-ness have not gone unnoticed.


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20 Sep 2012, 3:02 pm

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It is not so much a problem of Islam per se


Yes it is. A majority of Muslims support people being legally punished or worse for "insulting the Prophet". In Muslim countries, blasphemy is routinely punished by long prison sentences (we're talking years at a time) or capital punishment - i.e. hanging. Apostasy in some Muslim countries is commonly punishable by death if, in the opinion of Islamic jurists and scholars, they are of the opinion that they have apostatized by their beliefs. Blasphemy laws are routinely used in Islamic countries to persecute religious minorities - often fellow Muslims of a different sect also - within its borders.



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20 Sep 2012, 3:06 pm

Hopper wrote:
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Good grief.

What. A. Tool.


Should we ban free speech then?

He is absolutely spot on. The hypocrisy that comes from perpetually offended Muslims (more than one by a long shot but definitely less than all - there are quite a few Muslims out there who can see past the hate, try their best to fit in outside their ghettoes and campaign against the hatred that many Muslim communities are saturated with and are therefore widely hated in their communities) is quite insane. You only have to look at the hate that comes out of numerous Arab countries - it really does speak for itself. Muslims in Arab countries are taught from childhood to hate Jews - not Israelis, not Zionists, Jews.

Holocaust denial, for example, is mainstream on Arab television networks and anti-Semitism is enormously popular in almost all Arab countries. I suggest you go to MEMRI TV and educate yourself.

We've allowed to let a monster settle in Europe and, unless Islam seriously reforms to fit in with Western society (I suspect that many Muslims actually are nominally atheist, but are too under threat to actually formally announce their secularism), things aren't going to end well.

I do hope there are far, far more "offensive" cartoons, movies, articles, the lot. If we give up this battle, we'll end up with a Saudi-style society.


I, too, await an adequate response from Hopper... My hadith collection is just screaming for a chance to be cited...


Then you'll want to make yourself comfortable. My head is not with the Islam thing at the moment. I've made many an argument on several threads on this forum already, which would probably cover much of anything I have to say anyway.

I just wanted to note the tool-ness of Mr Condell, as others had noted their approval of him.


Perhaps if you would be so kind to point out actual inaccuracies/misrepresentations/falsehoods in Condell's statement... Considering that my Wiki-Fu describes "Tool" as "someone who is thought to lack intelligence, insight or creativity, or someone who is used by others" I consider this a reasonable request.



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20 Sep 2012, 3:06 pm

I think that more satirical videos that expose Islam as The Religion of Hate should be made. I mean, has anyone else ever read the Koran? Here are just a few Koranic verses, which are the Soul and Bread of Islam...

"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush,..." (Sura 9:5)

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned..." (Sura 5:33)

"O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." (Sura 9:73)

"And let not those who disbelieve think that they shall come in first; surely they will not escape. And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to frighten thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them, whom you do not know (but) Allah knows them; and whatever thing you will spend in Allah's way, it will be paid back to you fully and you shall not be dealt with unjustly." (Sura 8:59-60)

"Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends." (Sura 5:51)

"Infidels are those who declare: 'God is the Christ, the son of Mary'." (Sura 5:17)

"Infidels are those that say 'God is one of three in a Trinity'." (Sura 5:73)

"Make war on the infidels who dwell around you." (Sura 9:123)

"The infidels are your sworn enemies." (Sura 4:101)

"When you meet the infidel in the battlefield, strike off their heads." (Sura 47:4)

"Mohammed is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the infidels." (Sura 48:29)

"Prophet, make war on the infidels." (Sura 66:9)

"Kill the disbelievers wherever we find them." (Sura 2:191)

"The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger... will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land." (Sura 5:33)

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." (Sura 9:29)

"Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom." (Sura 47:4)

"Believers, do not make friends with those who have incurred the wrath of Allah. (Sura 60:13)

"Never be a helper to the disbelievers." (Sura 28:86)

"O you who believe! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends;they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people." (Sura 5:51)



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20 Sep 2012, 3:08 pm

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Perhaps if you would be so kind to point out actual inaccuracies/misrepresentations/falsehoods in Condell's statement... Considering that my Wiki-Fu describes "Tool" as "someone who is thought to lack intelligence, insight or creativity, or someone who is used by others" I consider this a reasonable request.


Listen mate, Condell is an Islamophobic racist in love with the Zionists who wants to put every Muslim in Europe in the gas chambers.



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20 Sep 2012, 3:11 pm

Condell speaks many truths but his brusque and unapologetic nature lead many to quick and unfortunate conclusions about his intellect


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20 Sep 2012, 3:12 pm

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Condell speaks many truths but his brusque and unapologetic nature lead many to quick and unfortunate conclusions about his intellect


He routinely gets death threats, as do many people who bravely speaks out on the nature of Islam in public.



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20 Sep 2012, 3:18 pm

Tequila wrote:
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It is not so much a problem of Islam per se


Yes it is. A majority of Muslims support people being legally punished or worse for "insulting the Prophet". In Muslim countries, blasphemy is routinely punished by long prison sentences (we're talking years at a time) or capital punishment - i.e. hanging. Apostasy in some Muslim countries is commonly punishable by death if, in the opinion of Islamic jurists and scholars, they are of the opinion that they have apostatized by their beliefs. Blasphemy laws are routinely used in Islamic countries to persecute religious minorities - often fellow Muslims of a different sect also - within its borders.


What I meant by this is the fact that it is not a problem of the religion, it is a cultural one. These people are culturally still in the middle ages. There was a time where blashpemy was draconically punished in our western, christian society as well. Now, as for the Sharia (the islamic law), that is a load of bull. One of the biggest ever created.



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20 Sep 2012, 3:19 pm

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What I meant by this is the fact that it is not a problem of the religion, it is a cultural one. These people are culturally still in the middle ages.


Even those who have been living in England for at least two generations?



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20 Sep 2012, 3:29 pm

It is still a cultural problem, and this just shows how deeprooted it is. Some of my best friends are muslim, and they see this affair as I do. They do not like it in general when people make fun of other religions, but they think whoever made that video has every right to do so. The thing is, we are simply more aware of these things happening. There was a time when in the USA, folks were scared of foreign infiltration by Germans, and I am not talking about WWII, I am talking about 150 or so years ago. There is still a German Belt in the US, were many folks have german ancestry and still speak german. But do you see anyone in the US making a big fuzz about it anymore? Integration is a long and slow process. Do not get me wrong: I am not a fan of Islam. Of all religions out there, it ranks among the ones that is the least sympathetic to me, but it is a cultural problem nontheless. You can tell by the fact that the women wear burkhas, which is nowhere to be found in the Quran, but a cultural habit that came from... I think Morocco, that has just spread in islamic countries. Hey, we get nuns get away with it, and show me the part in the bible where it says: Nuns out to wear funny headgear that covers their hair.



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20 Sep 2012, 3:37 pm

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Perhaps if you would be so kind to point out actual inaccuracies/misrepresentations/falsehoods in Condell's statement... Considering that my Wiki-Fu describes "Tool" as "someone who is thought to lack intelligence, insight or creativity, or someone who is used by others" I consider this a reasonable request.


Listen mate, Condell is an Islamophobic racist in love with the Zionists who wants to put every Muslim in Europe in the gas chambers.


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Condell speaks many truths but his brusque and unapologetic nature lead many to quick and unfortunate conclusions about his intellect


He routinely gets death threats, as do many people who bravely speaks out on the nature of Islam in public.


... ?



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20 Sep 2012, 3:48 pm

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Hey, we get nuns get away with it, and show me the part in the bible where it says: Nuns out to wear funny headgear that covers their hair.


Most people in Britain don't have a problem with nun-type headgear. Are balaclavas tolerated in the U.S. in regular use?



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20 Sep 2012, 4:00 pm

Tequila wrote:
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Condell speaks many truths but his brusque and unapologetic nature lead many to quick and unfortunate conclusions about his intellect


He routinely gets death threats, as do many people who bravely speaks out on the nature of Islam in public.


Not surprising to me at all


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20 Sep 2012, 4:01 pm

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Not surprising to me at all


He still lives his life normally. I'm surprised that a nutter hasn't taken a pot shot at him already or harassed him in the street TBH.



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