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26 Sep 2012, 3:20 pm

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Not at all. The topical context is the Christian religion. Let us keep it that way, shall we?


I do find a lot of religious beliefs just quite comical. As though someone with a really weird drug trip has come up with all this stuff.


If only we could view what really happened historically that might actually be close to the truth! :lol: It also wouldn't surprise me if certain religious figures were actually schizophrenic or had other mental illnesses. "God is my daddy!" shrink: "O...K.... I'm upping your dose of lithium. "


If this were the case, greedy people could have found a way to exploit the mental state of the mentally ill people and told everyone the mentally ill person was a prophet and then threatened people to join their religion so they could control others.

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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMuns4-37YQ[/youtube]<facepalm> I think all this Christian got out of protesting Halloween is nothing but making a fool out of himself.And not to forget the homophobia Christianity tends to generate. [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6yF7EqGvPc&feature=related[/youtube]


I don't know why these people can't just leave people that don't believe in their religion alone. Instead, they just go and preach to nonbelievers and they appear delusional.



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26 Sep 2012, 3:31 pm

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God doesn't hate anyone for being different and is more than willing to forgive you and your family's sins.


That is the sort of statement that makes my blood boil. It is a classic brainwashing technique. Make someone feel like sh** calling them and their family sinners, then offer to make them better - believe in the Christian god and you will be forgiven and loved! Poison someone's mind then offer them an antidote more insidious than the poison.

Grrrr. :x


You completely took me out of context. Lost on earth said something about God wanting to kill her and her family for their sins. I simply said that this was not the case. I didn't call her and her family sinners, she did. I just used the same language she was using. It's this kind of jumping to conclusions that makes my blood boil. :roll:



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26 Sep 2012, 3:41 pm

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God doesn't hate anyone for being different and is more than willing to forgive you and your family's sins.


That is the sort of statement that makes my blood boil. It is a classic brainwashing technique. Make someone feel like sh** calling them and their family sinners, then offer to make them better - believe in the Christian god and you will be forgiven and loved! Poison someone's mind then offer them an antidote more insidious than the poison.

Grrrr. :x


You completely took me out of context. Lost on earth said something about God wanting to kill her and her family for their sins. I simply said that this was not the case. I didn't call her and her family sinners, she did. I just used the same language she was using. It's this kind of jumping to conclusions that makes my blood boil. :roll:


I'm not specifically picking on you with my reply. I'm angry with the whole guilt trip thing that Christians dump on everyone. Perfectly normal people made to feel there is something wrong with them "You are gay! Then you are a dirty disgusting sinner going to hell - pray to Jesus for forgiveness and God will help you to overcome your sinful ways and let you into heaven." - This is an extreme example to make my point, but less blatant guilt tripping goes on all the time in the church. I see people all the time who have been seriously screwed up with all this nonsense. Nonsense isn't the right word - brainwashing is the correct word.


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26 Sep 2012, 3:51 pm

First off, that doesn't change the fact that you accused me of doing something that I was, in fact, not doing.

Second off, in Christian theology everyone is a sinner. The word "sin" is a poor translation. The original word used was "het" which means "when an archer misses their target". Being a sinner is not exactly saying that there is something wrong with someone, it is an admission of imperfection. I am imperfect, you are imperfect, we are all imperfect. But God is willing to look past that. He doesn't require perfection of us. Are there those who attempt to dehumanize people by saying they are "sinners"? yes, there are. But that is not what it is about and I would remind any such people to judge not lest they be judged.



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26 Sep 2012, 4:06 pm

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First off, that doesn't change the fact that you accused me of doing something that I was, in fact, not doing.

Second off, in Christian theology everyone is a sinner. The word "sin" is a poor translation. The original word used was "het" which means "when an archer misses their target". Being a sinner is not exactly saying that there is something wrong with someone, it is an admission of imperfection. I am imperfect, you are imperfect, we are all imperfect. But God is willing to look past that. He doesn't require perfection of us. Are there those who attempt to dehumanize people by saying they are "sinners"? yes, there are. But that is not what it is about and I would remind any such people to judge not lest they be judged.


So if being a sinner does not mean "there is something wrong with us" and it just means we are imperfect, then why is eternal torture the punishment for sin? An even better question is why the Christian god would create humans, knowing they would become imperfect, and then torturing people in Hell forever for being the way he knew they would be? If the Christian god is real, did he plan on humans becoming sinners? Did he plan on this just so he could save some of them from sins, knowing that not all would be saved? It seems like a bunch of crap if you ask me.



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26 Sep 2012, 4:13 pm

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An even better question is why the Christian god would create humans, knowing they would become imperfect, and then torturing people in Hell forever for being the way he knew they would be?


Maybe the Christian god was merely a "youngster" when he created mankind; rather like a human child making models of people with clay and then bashing them together and breaking them; or taking a sadistic pleasure in gathering flies and pulling their legs and wings off. :wink:


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26 Sep 2012, 4:21 pm

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An even better question is why the Christian god would create humans, knowing they would become imperfect, and then torturing people in Hell forever for being the way he knew they would be?


Maybe the Christian god was merely a "youngster" when he created mankind; rather like a human child making models of people with clay and then bashing them together and breaking them; or taking a sadistic pleasure in gathering flies and pulling their legs and wings off. :wink:


Well, I wouldn't say the Christian god is exactly like that. If he were to bash all of the clay models together and broke all of them, then the child wouldn't have any clay models left to be worshiped by. It seems reasonable that Yahweh's personality is a combination of narcissism and sadism. He would enjoy being worshiped, equally as much as he would enjoy the destruction of those who did not worship him.



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26 Sep 2012, 4:32 pm

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An even better question is why the Christian god would create humans, knowing they would become imperfect, and then torturing people in Hell forever for being the way he knew they would be?


Maybe the Christian god was merely a "youngster" when he created mankind; rather like a human child making models of people with clay and then bashing them together and breaking them; or taking a sadistic pleasure in gathering flies and pulling their legs and wings off. :wink:


Well, I wouldn't say the Christian god is exactly like that. If he were to bash all of the clay models together and broke all of them, then the child wouldn't have any clay models left to be worshiped by. It seems reasonable that Yahweh's personality is a combination of narcissism and sadism. He would enjoy being worshiped, equally as much as he would enjoy the destruction of those who did not worship him.


Perhaps a better analogy would be an engineer who made artificially intelligent robots and demanded that they worship him or face his wrath. Hmmmm. I know what people would think of such an engineer. :lol:


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26 Sep 2012, 4:37 pm

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An even better question is why the Christian god would create humans, knowing they would become imperfect, and then torturing people in Hell forever for being the way he knew they would be?


Maybe the Christian god was merely a "youngster" when he created mankind; rather like a human child making models of people with clay and then bashing them together and breaking them; or taking a sadistic pleasure in gathering flies and pulling their legs and wings off. :wink:


Well, I wouldn't say the Christian god is exactly like that. If he were to bash all of the clay models together and broke all of them, then the child wouldn't have any clay models left to be worshiped by. It seems reasonable that Yahweh's personality is a combination of narcissism and sadism. He would enjoy being worshiped, equally as much as he would enjoy the destruction of those who did not worship him.


Perhaps a better analogy would be an engineer who made artificially intelligent robots and demanded that they worship him or face his wrath. Hmmmm. I know what people would think of such an engineer. :lol:


The analogy is good, but I have an idea for a modification of that analogy. How about an engineer that creates artificially intelligent robots and then programs them with a program that tells the robots to do good and obey the creator as well as a program that tells the robots to disobey and do evil and it turns out the program to do evil and disobey is the dominant program? Then the engineer commands the robots to worship him and obey him, knowing the robots would not, so then he destroys them when they act according to the dominant program.



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26 Sep 2012, 7:55 pm

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I didn't used to always be like this. When I was a little girl I went to a religious school and believed in God and my mother told me we didn't need to go to church to pray or believe in him. But as we got closer to the end of the 20th Century and all the doomsday and Y2K predictions put me in a constant state of anxiety I began to hate God. Why would I want to believe in a God who hates me for being different and wants to kill me and my family for being HUGE sinners? But I must believe in God since you can't hate something that doesn't exist. I personally think my family members are good people but everything I think, say or do is wrong, obviously. That's how I felt and that's how I feel now. I must really be evil. :evil:


Hey, don't blame God for the stuff people say about Him. What makes you think God hates you for being different? Is that in the Bible? Does that seem logical to you? What reason do you have to take people's word about that?



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26 Sep 2012, 8:08 pm

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I didn't used to always be like this. When I was a little girl I went to a religious school and believed in God and my mother told me we didn't need to go to church to pray or believe in him. But as we got closer to the end of the 20th Century and all the doomsday and Y2K predictions put me in a constant state of anxiety I began to hate God. Why would I want to believe in a God who hates me for being different and wants to kill me and my family for being HUGE sinners? But I must believe in God since you can't hate something that doesn't exist. I personally think my family members are good people but everything I think, say or do is wrong, obviously. That's how I felt and that's how I feel now. I must really be evil. :evil:


Hey, don't blame God for the stuff people say about Him. What makes you think God hates you for being different? Is that in the Bible? Does that seem logical to you? What reason do you have to take people's word about that?


there are all those "these people are abominations unto the LORD" and "The LORD shall spit them from his mouth," and "these things are detestable to the LORD your God," quotes in the Bible - you know, His Greatest Hits collection?

If you actually read the book, He comes across as a bit of an as*hole.


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26 Sep 2012, 9:44 pm

To most Christians, Muslims, Jews, whatever, the name of their religion is just the equivalent of "decent human being". They were brought up into believing what they believe, and I don't think openly attacking them is constructive. Islam to a Muslim just means "decent person", just as Christianity to a Christian means "person with moral character". There may be problems with this way of thinking, this idea that you can sum up what it takes to be a good person in one word. You can make long arguments about how its all destructive and divisive,, and it may be true, but at the end of the day, I don't think its gonna do a damn bit of good for religious people. I think our job is just to treat people with respect, not act arrogant, treat all people well, and far more good will come out of it than arguing the merits of dogma systems.



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27 Sep 2012, 1:55 am

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if someone is suffering God will help them.


A lot of Christians take a view on this I don't agree with. They tend to treat God as a personal butler, who you just ask for favors and he directly intervenes.

When you pray for help, you have to put yourself in a position to receive blessings. The help you get might be the courage to go to a doctor, or the doctor understanding you when your there. It's not magic like some believe.

BTW, many Christians, including the Catholic Church do not have an issue with Harry Potter.



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27 Sep 2012, 2:01 am

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Like good Christians some would burn the witches.
Later some bought slaves to gather riches.

S.W.

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27 Sep 2012, 2:13 am

There is nothing wrong with you ''lostonearth35''.

To be impartial toward these short sighted and cowardly fools is to allow their nonsense to impact your life, and impede progress in the years to come. It needs to be stopped now, and it is perfectly acceptable to be angry about it.

The united states lost the supercollider to another country because a majority of it's population were too ignorant to see merit in it.

I stand by the opinion that if you believe it, you should have to be amish.

Religion would go out of style overnight if it weren't so damn comfy.



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27 Sep 2012, 2:53 am

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When someone else online mention's anything positive about God or JC or almost anything to do with church and the Bible I get EXTREMELY angry and upset, especially when they say it's the only way in a completely vane attempt to make me feel bettersolve a problem and everyone needs God in their lives and if someone is suffering God will help them. If that were true than religious people who study the Bible, go to church and pray daily would miraculously be cured of cancer or get their job back or have a place to live. I'm so sick of the bigoted Bible-thumpers telling me why I am going to hell: Don't go to church, doesn't read the Bible, doesn't pray, likes Halloween (which interestingly enough is one of the very few holidays anyone with any religion can celebrate), read Harry Potter books, thinks angels and demons are as make-believe as fairies and mermaids, doesn't go to Midnight Mass at Christmas, is left-handed, owns cats for pets, and doesn't wear a bonnet (okay that last one was a slight exaggeration). I didn't used to always be like this. When I was a little girl I went to a religious school and believed in God and my mother told me we didn't need to go to church to pray or believe in him. But as we got closer to the end of the 20th Century and all the doomsday and Y2K predictions put me in a constant state of anxiety I began to hate God. Why would I want to believe in a God who hates me for being different and wants to kill me and my family for being HUGE sinners? But I must believe in God since you can't hate something that doesn't exist. I personally think my family members are good people but everything I think, say or do is wrong, obviously. That's how I felt and that's how I feel now. I must really be evil. :evil:


I'm a practicing Lutheran, and people pushing the stuff you rattled off piss me off, too.

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