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Is flying the flag posted in this thread a geture of treason towars the USofAholes?
Oh Hells yeah! 17%  17%  [ 3 ]
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29 Sep 2012, 12:50 pm

My eyes must be really going,I thought it was Dumpchickenstan.I hate Tyson's commercial poultry houses with a passion.I always wanted to form the TLA( turkey liberation army)and open the doors and release them all but now Homeland security would say I'm a domestic terrorist attacking our food supply.I like the idea of regionalism,it's cool to go somewhere and be exposed to different foods and ideas,music etc.Wouldn't it be boring if we were all like a buffet that served only mashed potatoes?



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29 Sep 2012, 2:09 pm

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You gave Quebec too much territory, if it ever seceded it would look more like this:

[img][800:767]http://i1207.photobucket.com/albums/bb471/d_vigilans/Canada_and_partitioned_Quebec_preferences.png[/img]

Quebec secession looks like a lost cause though at this point anyway


If you want to fix my map have at it. I thought an hour was enough time to spend on it. Theoretically Canada should probably be divided into a few more secessionist regions considering the large indigenous populations in some regions.


That's true, the Western independence movement could be counted, as well as secession of the East or North. It would be hilarious if you grabbed a chunk of the Arctic regions and renamed them "Glorious Peoples Republic of New China" since they want our territory


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29 Sep 2012, 2:55 pm

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Fixed...

[img][800:600]http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b235/marshallbs/DividedStates2.png[/img]


I'll also point out that due to zero regulations on the purchase of weapons and widespread militia movements, the Republican controlled countries are all semi-anarchic decentralized failed states. Because a lot of the area is so dangerous with all kinds of armed-to-the-teeth religious cults and militant tax protesters, all the areas with precious oil resources are governed by private security firms hired by the oil companies. Sarah Palin is of course the elected leader of Dumbhickistan. All the oil companies and their private security firms have flocked to Dumbhickistan and Texcrapistan because they are the only nations that openly refuses to abide by the UN environazi carbon regulations. The area around Austin is rebel territory held by liberal hipsters.

The southern part of the UCSD is largely out of control due to the people of northern Florida rising up against the tyrannical rule of the local warlord Rick Scott and his army of genetic clones and forcibly conscripted unemployed bums and former welfare recipients. The SKM was created by black southerners who seceded from the UCSD because they were offended by UCSD flag.

Also, the area where Washington DC used to be is now a semi-anarchic no-mans land of urban blight and out-of-control violence due to the sudden loss of all US federal employment. The region is disputed because neither the YFRNNY or the UCSD want it and each claim it should be under the others control.



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29 Sep 2012, 3:04 pm

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Washington east of the cascades is politically powerless and irrelevant TBH. If you live there, you better be "self-reliant". And their vote against independence won't be enough to counter that of people west of the cascades.


As far as the hippies of California, well, most of them now live in rural areas because they really don't make enough money to afford San Francisco. The point being that you overestimate their population and political clout in the state of California. I visit Cali annually to see family and it's really changing. How so? Every year it becomes more and more Chicano as white liberals in Cali have a very low birth rate(yeah, even the hippies). Talk of splitting California has been going on for decades but it ain't gonna happen. So those white hippie liberals in NorCal will one day have to get used to living under Mexican rule. You'd be surprised Marshall, Chicanos in Cali are moving northwards.

As for NEVADA, well, that is a red state and also has a big Chicano population. and the Burning Man city is ephemeral. They'll just have to make do with visiting. :wink:


What the hell is this obsession with the decline of "white liberals" and the rise of Hispanic populations? The election of Mary Gonzalez - a self-identified bisexual (and later pansexual) - in a strongly HIspanic district shows open-mindedness on the part of that population to social progressivism.

So does polling data.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/0 ... 08180.html


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29 Sep 2012, 3:06 pm

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Washington east of the cascades is politically powerless and irrelevant TBH. If you live there, you better be "self-reliant". And their vote against independence won't be enough to counter that of people west of the cascades.


As far as the hippies of California, well, most of them now live in rural areas because they really don't make enough money to afford San Francisco. The point being that you overestimate their population and political clout in the state of California. I visit Cali annually to see family and it's really changing. How so? Every year it becomes more and more Chicano as white liberals in Cali have a very low birth rate(yeah, even the hippies). Talk of splitting California has been going on for decades but it ain't gonna happen. So those white hippie liberals in NorCal will one day have to get used to living under Mexican rule. You'd be surprised Marshall, Chicanos in Cali are moving northwards.

As for NEVADA, well, that is a red state and also has a big Chicano population. and the Burning Man city is ephemeral. They'll just have to make do with visiting. :wink:


So then... are you suggesting that preventative buttrape is the only feasible option?


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29 Sep 2012, 3:10 pm

I don't get why American politics is so racialized. I mean, I've never heard the phrase "white leftists" used to describe factions within the NDP yet "white liberals" are routinely used as a category in American politics (yet "black liberals" are seldom mentioned).

By the way, it seems that many racial minorities (particularly African-Americans) are getting more socially progressive on gay rights issues since Obama took office.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... bias_.html


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29 Sep 2012, 3:22 pm

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I don't get why American politics is so racialized. I mean, I've never heard the phrase "white leftists" used to describe factions within the NDP yet "white liberals" are routinely used as a category in American politics (yet "black liberals" are seldom mentioned).

By the way, it seems that many racial minorities (particularly African-Americans) are getting more socially progressive on gay rights issues since Obama took office.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... bias_.html


The divide on social issues has more to do with age and religiosity than race. The older you are and the more religious you are the more likely you are to oppose gay marriage. Also, my map is a joke in case some people don't know.



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29 Sep 2012, 3:27 pm

Please allow for a small group of rebels in Northern Arkansas who refuse to declare allegiance to Caribou Barbie.We are by far the most Liberal section of the more votes for Obama in this area(he carried my district) we have two cities Fayetteville and Eureka Springs that have made possession of cannabis a lesser crime than jaywalking.We are the first Southern state to have legalized medical marijuana, on the ballot this year.The area is populated with old families that have know these hills for generations, (I'm 6th generation) and a influx of a hardy strain of hippie that has hybridized with the local scotch - Irish moonshiners.We call them hicbes,it is a deadly combination.Sarah Palin will be given no quarter.Yes,we will secede.



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29 Sep 2012, 5:07 pm

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I don't get why American politics is so racialized. I mean, I've never heard the phrase "white leftists" used to describe factions within the NDP yet "white liberals" are routinely used as a category in American politics (yet "black liberals" are seldom mentioned).

By the way, it seems that many racial minorities (particularly African-Americans) are getting more socially progressive on gay rights issues since Obama took office.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... bias_.html


The divide on social issues has more to do with age and religiosity than race. The older you are and the more religious you are the more likely you are to oppose gay marriage. Also, my map is a joke in case some people don't know.



Not true.


Many Black and Latino Americans have views on social issues that are more consistent with that of rural white working class conservatives than white liberals. The reason I mentioned white liberals is the fact that while many whites with liberal political and social views welcome racial diversity, and particularly people who are non-white, these Mexicanos who seek to dominate the state of California really DO NOT WANT them them there and are intent on doing whatever it is they can to get white people to leave(along with black people too!). The bottom line is that even though many Chicanos vote democrat and agree with liberal whites on certain issues, that doesn't change the fact that they have significant cultural differences with whites that are more than just skin deep. After all marshall, no matter what conservative pundits like to say, the United States really is a multicultural society whether you like it or not.



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29 Sep 2012, 5:25 pm

Would the US survive a domestic independant region? Isn't then the concept of the USA critically weakened and unstable? If so I would understand that waving that flag would be considered treason.

And I don't think it looked so good, tbh :P



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29 Sep 2012, 5:52 pm

Misslizard wrote:
My eyes must be really going,I thought it was Dumpchickenstan.I hate Tyson's commercial poultry houses with a passion.I always wanted to form the TLA( turkey liberation army)and open the doors and release them all but now Homeland security would say I'm a domestic terrorist attacking our food supply.I like the idea of regionalism,it's cool to go somewhere and be exposed to different foods and ideas,music etc.Wouldn't it be boring if we were all like a buffet that served only mashed potatoes?


I read it as "dumb chick istan". Since it includes Alaska I thought it was a needlessly nasty reference to Sarah Palin.



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29 Sep 2012, 6:02 pm

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My eyes must be really going,I thought it was Dumpchickenstan.I hate Tyson's commercial poultry houses with a passion.I always wanted to form the TLA( turkey liberation army)and open the doors and release them all but now Homeland security would say I'm a domestic terrorist attacking our food supply.I like the idea of regionalism,it's cool to go somewhere and be exposed to different foods and ideas,music etc.Wouldn't it be boring if we were all like a buffet that served only mashed potatoes?


I read it as "dumb chick istan". Since it includes Alaska I thought it was a needlessly nasty reference to Sarah Palin.


If I wanted to make a needlessly nasty reference to Sarah Palin I would've tried to come up with something better than "dumb-chick-istan".



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29 Sep 2012, 6:10 pm

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California is very much connected culturally and politically to the American Southwest. That's why I wondered why Marshall's map keep it separated from the SW region which Chicano nationalists refer to as "Aztlan". liberals are most white middle to upper-middle class, and contrary to popular belief they too are losing control over California. Remember proposition 8? It passed cuz the mexicanos voted for it. The 2 regions of the modern USA with the strongest separatist inclinations are the Pacific Northwest, and the California-Southwest. The Northwest is economically autonomous, and considerably more liberal(in the Scandinavian way) and thus doesn't share the mainstream amurcan values that the rest of the country does. The California-Southwest is region is land that was once part of Mexico but annexed forcibly by the US in the 19th century. Yet it still has a very large chicano population and is the preferred destination for Mexican illegals who seek to reclaim it.

Okay, the liberals and hippies can have the bay area and a section of the Nevada desert (for Burning Man you know). Far northern California should really be annexed as part of Cascadia due to its similar climate and natural beauty.

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LOL @ me all you want, but I actually take this idea quite seriously. As who grew up in the PNW and lives here to this day, I consider myself to a Northwesterner first and an American second. The PNW is as distinctive a region as the American South. We DO have our own culture and this isn't something new. But most of all people here don't share the same values that you people in the rest of the country do.

I know. I lived in Seattle for 4 years. The thing is once you cross over to the east side of the Cascades you're really in dumbhickistan again. Also, places away from Puget Sound in Western Washington may vote for Democrats by a slim margin but they are culturally much more conservative.

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And for those of you who are religious(of the western variety): When God made the Pacific Northwest, he must have been in a good mood.

Yes. The natural beauty is amazing. The mountains create a lot of very distinct climate zones.


Actually, Spokane and the surrounding, interconnected little municipalities and suburbs went for Obama the last election, and is considered to be liberal by east-of-the-Cascades standards. So I think we'd be more than happy to secede with the rest of Cascadia.
Incidentally, my Dad's people have been in the Pacific Northwest since old west days, so I think it's safe to say I'm a native of the region.

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29 Sep 2012, 9:20 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:
I don't get why American politics is so racialized. I mean, I've never heard the phrase "white leftists" used to describe factions within the NDP yet "white liberals" are routinely used as a category in American politics (yet "black liberals" are seldom mentioned).

By the way, it seems that many racial minorities (particularly African-Americans) are getting more socially progressive on gay rights issues since Obama took office.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... bias_.html

'white liberals' is a term used by Republicans because they don't believe that it's actually possible for multiple ethnic groups to actually be united against them based on nothing but philosophy.

alternate Cascadian flag:
http://zapatopi.net/cascadia/



29 Sep 2012, 9:43 pm

LKL wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
I don't get why American politics is so racialized. I mean, I've never heard the phrase "white leftists" used to describe factions within the NDP yet "white liberals" are routinely used as a category in American politics (yet "black liberals" are seldom mentioned).

By the way, it seems that many racial minorities (particularly African-Americans) are getting more socially progressive on gay rights issues since Obama took office.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... bias_.html

'white liberals' is a term used by Republicans because they don't believe that it's actually possible for multiple ethnic groups to actually be united against them based on nothing but philosophy.

alternate Cascadian flag:
http://zapatopi.net/cascadia/




That alternate Cascadian flag is ugly. Also, I rarely hear republicans use the term "white liberals" as much as they like to say "libs"/"liberals". It is assumed that racial minorities are liberal by default unless they identify themselves otherwise since conservatives in general don't care much at all for minority rights. In the case of Chicanos however, I actually know quite a few and while many of them have liberal views on key social issues, they have a VERY strong cultural and ethnic identity that is more important to them then their political persuasian! And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, was my point by speaking of "white liberals" when it comes to California politics. The people agitating for California secession are almost exclusively (non-white)Chicanos who are just as racist against hippie/liberal whites as they are towards right-wing rednecks.



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29 Sep 2012, 10:27 pm

LKL wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
I don't get why American politics is so racialized. I mean, I've never heard the phrase "white leftists" used to describe factions within the NDP yet "white liberals" are routinely used as a category in American politics (yet "black liberals" are seldom mentioned).

By the way, it seems that many racial minorities (particularly African-Americans) are getting more socially progressive on gay rights issues since Obama took office.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... bias_.html

'white liberals' is a term used by Republicans because they don't believe that it's actually possible for multiple ethnic groups to actually be united against them based on nothing but philosophy.

alternate Cascadian flag:
http://zapatopi.net/cascadia/


They also like to call any liberal that isn't dirt poor a "limousine liberal". If you're so keen on wealth redistribution why don't you just give all your money too the poor.... gotcha hyuk hyuk hyuk! :roll: