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Should Prostitution be Legal?
I'm male, and I say "Yay!" 66%  66%  [ 103 ]
I'm male, and I say "Neigh!" 14%  14%  [ 22 ]
I'm female, and I say "Yes" 15%  15%  [ 23 ]
I'm female, and I say "No" 5%  5%  [ 7 ]
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17 Oct 2012, 4:17 pm

One's body belongs to oneself, to do with as one sees fit.



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17 Oct 2012, 4:43 pm

In the so-called Zumba scandal

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/201 ... s-released

Ejaculatory Assistant Alexis Wright made more than a hundred of thousands of dollars from well over 100 clients. Which might make her a one-percenter, and one of the wealthiest ladies in town.

Secretly videotaping the sessions wasn't very nice.

If this had been legal, then she could have reported the income and paid taxes on it.



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17 Oct 2012, 5:16 pm

Hmm well if they just legalize it that probably would not be good, so I can't really pick from those choices. They would have to regulate it as well, if it was regulated and legalized then I don't see the issue. I mean if everyone involved is in agreement then to each their own, but I imagine a lot of times unregulated this is not the case.


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17 Oct 2012, 5:37 pm

People should be able to do with their body as they wish.

Prostitution is legal after all... if you video tape it.

Government's problem with it is more that they can't get their pound of flesh from it, the same thing thing with drug prohibition. It aint about protecting us from ourselves.

Like drug prohibition, making something illegal doesn't make it go away. You create a black market and end up putting people in a cage for committing a victimless crime.

The whole 'legalize it and regulate it heavily' annoys me. Why should it be prohibited in the first place?



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17 Oct 2012, 6:13 pm

Jacoby wrote:

The whole 'legalize it and regulate it heavily' annoys me. Why should it be prohibited in the first place?


There should be some sort of regulations, to protect the clients and the workers. Make sure that the workers aren't enslaved. Try to minimize disease spread.

Restaurants have to pass sanitary inspections. Brothels probably should, too.



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17 Oct 2012, 6:26 pm

GGPViper wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Tequila wrote:
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Some of those aren't just social conservatives, some of those are the punters.


Oh, and elements of feminism too.

Take it away from both of them.


You misunderstand the feminist critique of prostitution. Everyone does, even feminists. :P


You failed to mention the feminist critique of the feminist critique of prostitution...

And the feminist critique of the feminist critique of the feminist critique 8).


And the criticism of second wave feminism by first wave feminists, the criticism of first wave feminism by second wave feminism, the criticism of first wave feminism by first wave feminists who according to third wave feminists aren't feminists, who they themselves aren't feminists according to second wave feminists, the critique of anti-sex feminists, by pro-sex feminists, the critique of pro-sex feminists by anti-sex feminists, who themselves were critique by A-sexual feminists. Then post-feminism feminists who critique the first, second and third wave feminists and who themselves are having critiques levied at them by first, second and third wave feminists.

Then you have the critique of radical feminists by conservative feminists, the critique of radical feminists by liberal feminists, the criticism of separatist feminists by other feminists, the criticism of ecofeminists by non-eco feminists, the critique of libertarian feminists by separatist feminists, the critique of feminism by post-colonial feminists.

Then you have critiques of Marxist feminist by socialist feminists, who both are critiqued by Fascist feminists, and anarcha-feminists.

I'm confused.



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17 Oct 2012, 6:36 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:

The whole 'legalize it and regulate it heavily' annoys me. Why should it be prohibited in the first place?


There should be some sort of regulations, to protect the clients and the workers. Make sure that the workers aren't enslaved. Try to minimize disease spread.

Restaurants have to pass sanitary inspections. Brothels probably should, too.


Slavery is already illegal and self interest should dictate people value their health.



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17 Oct 2012, 6:38 pm

What is the "Feminist" perspective on the issue?



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17 Oct 2012, 6:52 pm

TM wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Tequila wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Some of those aren't just social conservatives, some of those are the punters.


Oh, and elements of feminism too.

Take it away from both of them.


You misunderstand the feminist critique of prostitution. Everyone does, even feminists. :P


You failed to mention the feminist critique of the feminist critique of prostitution...

And the feminist critique of the feminist critique of the feminist critique 8).


And the criticism of second wave feminism by first wave feminists, the criticism of first wave feminism by second wave feminism, the criticism of first wave feminism by first wave feminists who according to third wave feminists aren't feminists, who they themselves aren't feminists according to second wave feminists, the critique of anti-sex feminists, by pro-sex feminists, the critique of pro-sex feminists by anti-sex feminists, who themselves were critique by A-sexual feminists. Then post-feminism feminists who critique the first, second and third wave feminists and who themselves are having critiques levied at them by first, second and third wave feminists.

I'm confused and that comes from someone who read Immanuel Kant's "Critique of pure reason" for fun.


Wikipedia lists 40 different kinds of feminisms. No, that is not a typo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_m ... ideologies

:scratch:. I give up.

ArrantPariah wrote:
What is the "Feminist" perspective on the issue?


Given the above, how should I know?



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17 Oct 2012, 7:03 pm

GGPViper wrote:
TM wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Tequila wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
Some of those aren't just social conservatives, some of those are the punters.


Oh, and elements of feminism too.

Take it away from both of them.


You misunderstand the feminist critique of prostitution. Everyone does, even feminists. :P


You failed to mention the feminist critique of the feminist critique of prostitution...

And the feminist critique of the feminist critique of the feminist critique 8).


And the criticism of second wave feminism by first wave feminists, the criticism of first wave feminism by second wave feminism, the criticism of first wave feminism by first wave feminists who according to third wave feminists aren't feminists, who they themselves aren't feminists according to second wave feminists, the critique of anti-sex feminists, by pro-sex feminists, the critique of pro-sex feminists by anti-sex feminists, who themselves were critique by A-sexual feminists. Then post-feminism feminists who critique the first, second and third wave feminists and who themselves are having critiques levied at them by first, second and third wave feminists.

I'm confused and that comes from someone who read Immanuel Kant's "Critique of pure reason" for fun.


Wikipedia lists 40 different kinds of feminisms. No, that is not a typo.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminist_m ... ideologies

:scratch:. I give up.



It does explain why debating one is so hard though, you have roughly a 1/40 chance of hitting the right variant, for the main ideologies. Then you have 27 areas of theory with differing opinions and 15 concepts. So, just with those if you engage someone who identifies as a feminist, you'd have a (1/40)(1/27)(1/15) = 0,000006 of picking the right for all of them. Of course that has to be adjusted a little since multiple combinations can be held in each area of theory and concept.

For instance, under Theology in Theory, you have 6 religion specific versions, plus atheism, so that's (1/7) so there'd be a require adjustment for that.

Let's just say that if you have to present yourself as:

"I'm a second wave, radical, atheist, anti-multiculturalism, sex positive, Marxist, Feminist" then your ideology needs to start agreeing on something.



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17 Oct 2012, 7:29 pm

Jacoby wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:

The whole 'legalize it and regulate it heavily' annoys me. Why should it be prohibited in the first place?


There should be some sort of regulations, to protect the clients and the workers. Make sure that the workers aren't enslaved. Try to minimize disease spread.

Restaurants have to pass sanitary inspections. Brothels probably should, too.


Slavery is already illegal and self interest should dictate people value their health.


You do realize there are more slaves now than at any other point in history, and a multi-billion dollar international trade in human beings for sex labor?

People don't value their health if the choice is between starving or being beaten and raped vs having sex without a condom.


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17 Oct 2012, 7:34 pm

ValentineWiggin wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:

The whole 'legalize it and regulate it heavily' annoys me. Why should it be prohibited in the first place?


There should be some sort of regulations, to protect the clients and the workers. Make sure that the workers aren't enslaved. Try to minimize disease spread.

Restaurants have to pass sanitary inspections. Brothels probably should, too.


Slavery is already illegal and self interest should dictate people value their health.


You do realize there are more slaves now than at any other point in history, and a multi-billion dollar international trade in human beings for sex labor?

People don't value their health if the choice is between starving or being beaten and raped vs having sex without a condom.


Well there more people period than any other point in history but I'd like to see a source for that, I am actually not aware of this.



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17 Oct 2012, 8:43 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
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Mere legalization would not keep the prostitutes clean, healthy, and free from victimization. The whole industry would have to be regulated, from recruiting to training, licensing, hiring, fair and equitable pay, work conditions, medical benefits, time off, and retirement benefits. Merely making it legal would improve nothing.
Legalization would be a necessary first step.

No.

Means must be in place to license and regulate the industry before any legalized activity can take place.

Making licensed and regulated prostitution legal might work, but just making it legal to practice prostitution would not.

Otherwise, we have the same situation that legalizing medicinal marijuana has made. That is, there is no standard in place for regulation dosage, strength of each dose, and the purity and safety of the "medicine" being provided -- it's as bad as herbalism, homeopathy and other forms of quackery.


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17 Oct 2012, 8:43 pm

It's legal in some counties in Nevada,I think it's called the chicken ranch or something like that.Pros and cons (no pun intended),it would be safer for the women if they didn't have to be on the street and health care to prevent disease and unwanted pregnancy.But it's not really a job anyone would want their daughter doing.But it's a persons body to do with what they want.I would worry about younger vulnerable girls choosing that as an easy quick way to make money instead of doing something better with their lives. it's suppose to be the oldest profession so I don't think it's going away anytime soon,there's really no difference in it or the porn industry and it's legal.Tasteless,but legal.



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17 Oct 2012, 11:01 pm

Jacoby wrote:
ValentineWiggin wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Jacoby wrote:

The whole 'legalize it and regulate it heavily' annoys me. Why should it be prohibited in the first place?


There should be some sort of regulations, to protect the clients and the workers. Make sure that the workers aren't enslaved. Try to minimize disease spread.

Restaurants have to pass sanitary inspections. Brothels probably should, too.


Slavery is already illegal and self interest should dictate people value their health.


You do realize there are more slaves now than at any other point in history, and a multi-billion dollar international trade in human beings for sex labor?

People don't value their health if the choice is between starving or being beaten and raped vs having sex without a condom.


Well there more people period than any other point in history but I'd like to see a source for that, I am actually not aware of this.


this is a christian pamphlet from the film makers of "Amazing Grace"

http://www.amazinggracemovie.com/_pdf/e ... lavery.pdf

Between 12 million reported by governments to as high as 30 million reported by NGO's.


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17 Oct 2012, 11:26 pm

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... it's suppose to be the oldest profession ...


I've always questioned that.

Seems like hunter or forager would need to exist first. After all, you can't give people stuff for sex without having something to give.

Since humans generally don't like living in anarchy, I suspect policeman and politician may have pre-dated it, and since humans generally do like selling their soul for more power I'd also say hitman may have come first, though that's more dubious.