Why are so many people so mean when it comes to politics?

Page 2 of 2 [ 26 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

XFilesGeek
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Jul 2010
Age: 41
Gender: Non-binary
Posts: 6,031
Location: The Oort Cloud

09 Nov 2012, 8:49 pm

Fnord wrote:
I've been saying, "Religion is the politics of faith; politics is the religion of society" for a few decades now, and it is gratifying to finally see other people making similar statements.

:D


Nice!

I'm going to steal this quote and claim credit for it.

That's what you get for saying clever things on the internet. :lol:


_________________
"If we fail to anticipate the unforeseen or expect the unexpected in a universe of infinite possibilities, we may find ourselves at the mercy of anyone or anything that cannot be programmed, categorized or easily referenced."

-XFG (no longer a moderator)


ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

09 Nov 2012, 8:54 pm

Fnord wrote:
I've been saying, "Religion is the politics of faith; politics is the religion of society" for a few decades now, and it is gratifying to finally see other people making similar statements.

:D


Making society and object of veneration is heathen idol worship. Feh!

ruveyn



AspieOtaku
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Feb 2012
Age: 42
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,051
Location: San Jose

10 Nov 2012, 4:06 am

Because people have opposing ideas and are stubborn and stick to them!


_________________
Your Aspie score is 193 of 200
Your neurotypical score is 40 of 200
You are very likely an aspie
No matter where I go I will always be a Gaijin even at home. Like Anime? https://kissanime.to/AnimeList


Aspie_Chav
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Feb 2006
Age: 51
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,931
Location: Croydon

10 Nov 2012, 5:22 am

AspieOtaku wrote:
Because people have opposing ideas and are stubborn and stick to them!


NTs political views are not subject to scientific deduction or cross-examination or even an interest in politics.
Its like an NTs having opinions about computer science, but you can't have a proper talk with them or give them
a book because they are easily board, preferring believe in their own ideas, which is makes a lot of sense given the
limited knowledge and lack of cross examination that they are happy to accept.

I would respect a Socialist more then your average right wing if he came to his conclusion by attempting logical
deduction. Yes he end up believing in socialism because of his lack of ability to use scientific process but at least
he wants to do that.

Most socialist from the street are unaware of:
1. Keynes vs Hayek
2. Paradox of thrift
3. Tragedy of the commons
4. Central banks( Federal researve)
5. Inflation tax
6 The theories of the effect of socialism on human psychology.
7 Small government vs Big argument.

But you cant talk about these thing to them, they get easily board!! !! !!. Yet can I respect their votes, that effect other peoples
lives.
Image

Ahhhhhhh!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!



caissa
Snowy Owl
Snowy Owl

User avatar

Joined: 6 Nov 2009
Age: 32
Gender: Female
Posts: 130

10 Nov 2012, 6:46 am

People tend to have fantasies about political beliefs and when you point out the reality they become enraged-- as to why I think it's a mental defensive mechanism when confronted with the fact that their deeply held belief is fantasy. This happens on both sides of the political spectrum. For example liberals tried to paint the arab spring as a move toward western democracy (there was even a news segment where they interspersed paintings from the US constitutional convention in between rioting citizens)... yet those countries are fast becoming islamo-fascist states. When you try to point this out they become defensive and enraged.

A conservative example would be something like opposition to gay marriage... conservatives have this fantasy that if gay people get marriage certificates, the whole notion of "family" with implode and be destroyed, society will become unhinged, and children will be permanently scarred. When in fact gay people getting married is a PRO-family move! As opposed to just living together these couples will now have a legal bond which encourages stability which is good for society overall.

I won't go on with any more examples because I don't want to enrage anyone. :D



GGPViper
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,880

10 Nov 2012, 7:15 am

caissa wrote:
People tend to have fantasies about political beliefs and when you point out the reality they become enraged-- as to why I think it's a mental defensive mechanism when confronted with the fact that their deeply held belief is fantasy.


This.

I suspect that the political lashing out against opponents is due to the naive assumption that one's religious/political/ideological beliefs can account for any and all situations one might encounter. As a result, any objection, regardless of its merit and scope, must be fought tooth and nail to preserve one's world view.

Examples:

Evolutionary biology suggests that self-interest is a very significant component of human behaviour.
This is a major problem for Marxism, so a lot of Marxists reject these conclusions from evolutionary biology.

Biology and psychology suggests that sexual orientation is innate.
This is a major problem for Christianity, so a lot of Christians reject these conclusions from biology and psychology.

Physics suggests that anthropogenic climate change is real.
This is a major problem for Libertarianism, so a lot of Libertarians reject these conclusions from physics.

I deliberately attempt to avoid adhering to a specific ideology, as it puts me at risk of falling into the anti-scientific traps mentioned above. That does not necessarily mean that I succeed...



ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

10 Nov 2012, 7:20 am

GGPViper wrote:



Physics suggests that anthropogenic climate change is real.
This is a major problem for Libertarianism, so a lot of Libertarians reject these conclusions from physics.

.


Climate is the average behavior of a chaotic highly non-linear system. Physics does not handle such phenomena very well. That is why there are only climate and weather -models-. We have yet to achieve a science of weather and climate that is anywhere near as good as thermodynamics or the standard model of fields and particles.

ruveyn



GGPViper
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 23 Sep 2009
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,880

10 Nov 2012, 7:41 am

ruveyn wrote:
GGPViper wrote:



Physics suggests that anthropogenic climate change is real.
This is a major problem for Libertarianism, so a lot of Libertarians reject these conclusions from physics.

.


Climate is the average behavior of a highly non-linear system. Physics does not handle such phenomena very well. That is why there are only climate and weather -models-. We have yet to achieve a science of weather and climate that is anywhere near as good as thermodynamics or the standard model of fields and particles.

ruveyn


And what sciences can achieve such accuracy? Medicine, for instance, would be considered one big hoax if compared to the accuracy of thermodynamics. But when doctors tell me not to drink liquid nitrogen, I tend to follow their advice.

Hell, even the predictions of the Standard Model are inferior to the Laws of Thermodynamics (oh, wait... the PBR theorem. Last time I checked though, it hasn't been peer-reviewed).

The reason why I choose physics as a description is because climate science is an inter-disciplinary field. And what brings everything together?



autismthinker21
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Jul 2011
Age: 32
Gender: Male
Posts: 540
Location: illinois

10 Nov 2012, 5:37 pm

Politics is a big subject to many people that have to argue statistics. it's a shame to believe it due to lack of lies and dishonesty towards the white house diplomacy republic. shame in words to know the circumstances. but we live and learn.


_________________
In order to be free, you must take your chances of letting your tortured self to be forgiven.


Seabass
Pileated woodpecker
Pileated woodpecker

User avatar

Joined: 1 Aug 2012
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 199

10 Nov 2012, 5:50 pm

Because the truth of the matter, whether you're interested in it or not, politics and government affects everybody on this EARTH in some way, shape, or form. Most people are aware of this but unfortunately few bother to educate themselves on the subject. Worst of all, some think their opinions are always right, no questions asked! That's why you hear a lot of loud, pretentious people that really don't know what they're talking about.