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07 Nov 2012, 6:46 pm

Actually the agnostics (real atheists do not exist) should be the ones who need to be afraid of not being correct. Famous wager by our old pal Pascal. If Christians are wrong they lose an immoral life. If the the agnostics are wrong they go to hell..lol. Smart money is on the Christians in other words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager

IrishTusk wrote:
Actualy am more afraid of Athiests being correct and absolutely nothing happening when you die. All those years, Your personality, Your soul suddenly snuff'd out. Gone, No after life, No reboot, Take 2, Matrix, Nothing. Absolutely and utter nothing you cease to exist.

That frightens me more than Heaven or Hell.



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07 Nov 2012, 6:50 pm

UncleShiloh wrote:
Actually the agnostics (real atheists do not exist) should be the ones who need to be afraid of not being correct. Famous wager by our old pal Pascal. If Christians are wrong they lose an immoral life. If the the agnostics are wrong they go to hell..lol. Smart money is on the Christians in other words.


False.



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07 Nov 2012, 6:54 pm

UncleShiloh wrote:
Actually the agnostics (real atheists do not exist) should be the ones who need to be afraid of not being correct. Famous wager by our old pal Pascal. If Christians are wrong they lose an immoral life. If the the agnostics are wrong they go to hell..lol. Smart money is on the Christians in other words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager



That's blatantly false. You have no way of knowing which, if any, religion is correct. The Vikings could have had it right every bit as easily as the christians.


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07 Nov 2012, 7:03 pm

Once a man was in a very bad car accident.When he started to come to he thought he might be dead,but he realized he was hungry,he thought". I can't be in Heaven because no one is ever hungry there."Then he worried he was in Hell,but then he thought"My feet are cold,they sure wouldn't be cold in Hell."

Just a weird little joke.



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07 Nov 2012, 7:13 pm

This used to scare the s**t out of me when I was younger. Then at some point I decided I couldn't accept such a crazy disproportionate punishment.

Now by gradual degrees I'm moving toward Atheism.



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07 Nov 2012, 7:45 pm

IrishTusk wrote:
Actualy am more afraid of Athiests being correct and absolutely nothing happening when you die. All those years, Your personality, Your soul suddenly snuff'd out. Gone, No after life, No reboot, Take 2, Matrix, Nothing. Absolutely and utter nothing you cease to exist.

That frightens me more than Heaven or Hell.


The cessation of my existence doesn't worry me in the least. Similarly I don't feel inconvenienced by the fact I didn't exist for several billion years before my birth.


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07 Nov 2012, 8:31 pm

" When I think of the number of disagreeable people that I know who have gone to a better world,I am sure hell won't be so bad after all".

Mark Twain

My favorite.

"Hell is other people".

Jean-Paul Sartre



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07 Nov 2012, 8:39 pm

They get a hard time over many beliefs but the mormon model of the afterlife seems the fairest.

Instead of just heaven and hell, there are actually 4 different levels of reward and punishment. To put that into perspective, the third from highest is equivalent to being alive on Earth with the lowest level being 'hell'. Which makes more sense, how and where do you draw the line between deserving of eternal suffering and deserving of eternal paradise?



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07 Nov 2012, 8:45 pm

UncleShiloh wrote:
Actually the agnostics (real atheists do not exist) should be the ones who need to be afraid of not being correct. Famous wager by our old pal Pascal. If Christians are wrong they lose an immoral life. If the the agnostics are wrong they go to hell..lol. Smart money is on the Christians in other words.


Who says the Christians have the right model?

Maybe the Muslims or Jews do?

Hey maybe the Hindus or Sikhs do?

Perhaps the buddhists should worry, theirs is the only religion which demands no belief in an actual 'god'.



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07 Nov 2012, 8:59 pm

There are Dieties in Buddhism but they are symbolic of aspects of your mind .



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07 Nov 2012, 9:43 pm

Why would I care if I wouldn't be remembered? And if there's nothing after I die?

I'd be dead. I wouldn't have the capacity,



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07 Nov 2012, 9:55 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:
abacacus wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
IrishTusk wrote:
Actualy am more afraid of Athiests being correct and absolutely nothing happening when you die. All those years, Your personality, Your soul suddenly snuff'd out. Gone, No after life, No reboot, Take 2, Matrix, Nothing. Absolutely and utter nothing you cease to exist.

That frightens me more than Heaven or Hell.


and those who remember you will die too, leaving no one to ever remember that at one point, the person that was you existed, and went through the experiences you did. It'll be as if you never existed, at all.


I don't see why that should scare me. That's life. Everyone is forgotten. Not a soul out there remembers the first man to control fire, or make use of a round stone as a wheel.


It's not frightening... just depressing. techstepgenr8tion made the case that we're all energy to begin with, and soon we will return and be one with the cosmos again, I guess that's some comfort?


That's actually very close to the stoic concept--that we all simply return to the logos, the divine fire that orders the universe.

Personally, I'm with Marcus Aurelius on death:
"Death is a release from the impressions of the senses, and from desires that make us their puppets, and from the vagaries of the mind, and from the hard service of the flesh."

Sounds nice to me. :)


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07 Nov 2012, 10:27 pm

No. I don't fear imaginary places.



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07 Nov 2012, 10:30 pm

IrishTusk wrote:
Actualy am more afraid of Athiests being correct and absolutely nothing happening when you die. All those years, Your personality, Your soul suddenly snuff'd out. Gone, No after life, No reboot, Take 2, Matrix, Nothing. Absolutely and utter nothing you cease to exist.

That frightens me more than Heaven or Hell.


I guess I don't quite understand your reasoning, though that might be partly because of the concept of Hell I believed in for a long time. Personally, I would prefer to one day die and have no after life, than to be sent to the Biblical Hell and be tortured with fire forever.

I did have a fear of Hell at one time though, but luckily that fear has faded. It's not easy to get rid of the irrational fear of Hell when you are an ex-Christian like me. It just took time for my irrational fear of Hell to fade.



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08 Nov 2012, 12:07 am

Inner fears are hell.



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08 Nov 2012, 12:44 am

I'm an atheist, so, no.