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21 Nov 2012, 9:26 pm

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Exactly!
Their issue is that a lot of people's moral values are rooted in their religions.
These moral values are usually contrary to the left's revised (to put it mildly) moral values so therefor the religion backed ones have to go.


What do primitive fairy tales have to do with morality? One could believe fervently in some amalgamation of both of the creation accounts of Genesis, and still be consummately evil. Just look at Rick Perry for Heaven's sake.


You should just be thankful that it's not going to be Rick Perry being inaugurated in January.
It would be a dark day for the left.....


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21 Nov 2012, 9:29 pm

I recently read this story and it seems relevant to this topic.

The anecdote, as told by Richard here, of Kurt Wise whose has extensive training in Geology. Unfortunately, he comes to a point where his education conflicts with his religion. After a moment of introspection and contemplating his Geology training versus Bliblical history, he makes a choice and throws away his career as a Geologist to be a Young Earth Creationist/Theologist.

This seems to be an unfortunate example of a huge mental block.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuStSHFTcZs[/youtube]



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21 Nov 2012, 9:33 pm

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My public school taught evolution,here in backwoods Arkansas.
But my family did purchase a children's book set on the bible.
As a child I believed the Bible stories,as an adult I don't.But I do enjoy parts of the bible.
Proverbs,Psalms,Song of Solomon,Ecclesiastes,and the book of Job.And Jesus was an all right fellow.
I don't know if this is accurate but the word for day in Genesis is suppose to be translated as "period of time',This would make more sense.If the earth was created on seven time periods it would be plausible.


Well that's the argument against introducing bible stories to children. They associate it with their childhood and something that children to. You should only come to complicated text as an adult. They never wrote literally in those days, especially for numbers which serve more so symbolic roles then anything else. We get our notion of day from a 24 hour period from the sun but it is not even created till the forth day, so day is not meant literally and I do not know why creationists stick to it when the text was never meant to explain science. I understand the urge, but it is not healthy and can even be destructive.


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21 Nov 2012, 9:40 pm

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I don't understand people's fear.

One can go to space and see the world is round, still delude themselves with semantics and definitions and metaphors that the earth is still flat, and still make a great physicist or pharmacist.

We are not uncompetitive because of our belief in macroevolution, which is 1/2 of 1/3 of the sciences. You need physics and chemistry to explain macro evolution, but you don't need macro evolution to explain anything about anything. Do you see Indians with brilliant IQ's dropping their Hindu notions? No. Nor do they need to be taught macro evolution to be the effective programmers and geneticists that they are.


Exactly!
Their issue is that a lot of people's moral values are rooted in their religions.
These moral values are usually contrary to the left's revised (to put it mildly) moral values so therefor the religion backed ones have to go.


Yes, because teaching kids something that is blatantly false as science is obviously an issue of morality...


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21 Nov 2012, 9:43 pm

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http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski ... earn-about

The Bible says that Christians should be discerning


Where in Blazes does the Bible say that?

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The Bible says that God created all of the land and sea animals during the fifth and sixth days of Creation. He created man on the sixth day of Creation. So dinosaurs and man would have lived at the same time. God's word is always accurate. We can trust it to be true even in areas of science.

:roll:
The clowns who wrote this probably never even bothered to read Genesis 2.

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We also know that God spared some of the dinosaurs during the flood. Genesis 7:15 says that "two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life" went into the ark. So after the Flood, some dinosaurs must have survived for a time.

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What utter, bloody nonsense!! !



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21 Nov 2012, 9:43 pm

abacacus wrote:
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I don't understand people's fear.

One can go to space and see the world is round, still delude themselves with semantics and definitions and metaphors that the earth is still flat, and still make a great physicist or pharmacist.

We are not uncompetitive because of our belief in macroevolution, which is 1/2 of 1/3 of the sciences. You need physics and chemistry to explain macro evolution, but you don't need macro evolution to explain anything about anything. Do you see Indians with brilliant IQ's dropping their Hindu notions? No. Nor do they need to be taught macro evolution to be the effective programmers and geneticists that they are.


Exactly!
Their issue is that a lot of people's moral values are rooted in their religions.
These moral values are usually contrary to the left's revised (to put it mildly) moral values so therefor the religion backed ones have to go.


Yes, because teaching kids something that is blatantly false as science is obviously an issue of morality...


Best thing is to keep religion and science separate as much as possible but still have both.
It's do-able.


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21 Nov 2012, 9:45 pm

Raptor wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Raptor wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
I don't understand people's fear.

One can go to space and see the world is round, still delude themselves with semantics and definitions and metaphors that the earth is still flat, and still make a great physicist or pharmacist.

We are not uncompetitive because of our belief in macroevolution, which is 1/2 of 1/3 of the sciences. You need physics and chemistry to explain macro evolution, but you don't need macro evolution to explain anything about anything. Do you see Indians with brilliant IQ's dropping their Hindu notions? No. Nor do they need to be taught macro evolution to be the effective programmers and geneticists that they are.


Exactly!
Their issue is that a lot of people's moral values are rooted in their religions.
These moral values are usually contrary to the left's revised (to put it mildly) moral values so therefor the religion backed ones have to go.


Yes, because teaching kids something that is blatantly false as science is obviously an issue of morality...


Best thing is to keep religion and science separate as much as possible but still have both.
It's do-able.


Yes, but not in the science classroom. Religion has no place there. None.


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21 Nov 2012, 9:47 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
The Cited Material wrote:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski ... earn-about

The Bible says that Christians should be discerning


Where in Blazes does the Bible say that?

Quote:
The Bible says that God created all of the land and sea animals during the fifth and sixth days of Creation. He created man on the sixth day of Creation. So dinosaurs and man would have lived at the same time. God's word is always accurate. We can trust it to be true even in areas of science.

:roll:
The clowns who wrote this probably never even bothered to read Genesis 2.

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We also know that God spared some of the dinosaurs during the flood. Genesis 7:15 says that "two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life" went into the ark. So after the Flood, some dinosaurs must have survived for a time.

:roll:
What utter, bloody nonsense!! !


Apparently Noah brought a mating pair of ArrantPariahs on board his vessel.


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21 Nov 2012, 9:48 pm

abacacus wrote:
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abacacus wrote:
Raptor wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
I don't understand people's fear.

One can go to space and see the world is round, still delude themselves with semantics and definitions and metaphors that the earth is still flat, and still make a great physicist or pharmacist.

We are not uncompetitive because of our belief in macroevolution, which is 1/2 of 1/3 of the sciences. You need physics and chemistry to explain macro evolution, but you don't need macro evolution to explain anything about anything. Do you see Indians with brilliant IQ's dropping their Hindu notions? No. Nor do they need to be taught macro evolution to be the effective programmers and geneticists that they are.


Exactly!
Their issue is that a lot of people's moral values are rooted in their religions.
These moral values are usually contrary to the left's revised (to put it mildly) moral values so therefor the religion backed ones have to go.


Yes, because teaching kids something that is blatantly false as science is obviously an issue of morality...


Best thing is to keep religion and science separate as much as possible but still have both.
It's do-able.


Yes, but not in the science classroom. Religion has no place there. None.


:roll:
WTF did I just say?


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21 Nov 2012, 9:54 pm

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Apparently Noah brought a mating pair of ArrantPariahs on board his vessel.


How did Noah keep them from eating all the goats?His kind fancies dragging goats under bridges and devouring them.I read a fairy tale about it :lol:



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21 Nov 2012, 10:06 pm

Raptor wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Raptor wrote:
abacacus wrote:
Raptor wrote:
MarketAndChurch wrote:
I don't understand people's fear.

One can go to space and see the world is round, still delude themselves with semantics and definitions and metaphors that the earth is still flat, and still make a great physicist or pharmacist.

We are not uncompetitive because of our belief in macroevolution, which is 1/2 of 1/3 of the sciences. You need physics and chemistry to explain macro evolution, but you don't need macro evolution to explain anything about anything. Do you see Indians with brilliant IQ's dropping their Hindu notions? No. Nor do they need to be taught macro evolution to be the effective programmers and geneticists that they are.


Exactly!
Their issue is that a lot of people's moral values are rooted in their religions.
These moral values are usually contrary to the left's revised (to put it mildly) moral values so therefor the religion backed ones have to go.


Yes, because teaching kids something that is blatantly false as science is obviously an issue of morality...


Best thing is to keep religion and science separate as much as possible but still have both.
It's do-able.


Yes, but not in the science classroom. Religion has no place there. None.


:roll:
WTF did I just say?


a double WTF did you just say for those who didn't hear it the first time.

Religion and science can both be had. Teach creationist science in a strictly philosophical setting, and leave in Evolution. Religious people aren't free to go unchallenged and everyone should learn macro evolution portion of biology but it is their right to have their creationist science in a philosophical setting. Political science isn't a hard science but no one looses their cool over the fact, the creationists can keep the term science in their name if they want.

if it were up to me, they would learn everything under the sun so long as it didn't detract from time spent on true sciences such as physics and chemistry.


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21 Nov 2012, 10:12 pm

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Apparently Noah brought a mating pair of ArrantPariahs on board his vessel.


How did Noah keep them from eating all the goats?His kind fancies dragging goats under bridges and devouring them.I read a fairy tale about it :lol:


:D :lmao: :lmao: :thumright:

He's tattling to the mods on you right now.
And me too for laughing.


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21 Nov 2012, 10:33 pm

Raptor wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
Raptor wrote:

Apparently Noah brought a mating pair of ArrantPariahs on board his vessel.


How did Noah keep them from eating all the goats?His kind fancies dragging goats under bridges and devouring them.I read a fairy tale about it :lol:


:D :lmao: :lmao: :thumright:

He's tattling to the mods on you right now.
And me too for laughing.


You two are gonna GET IT!! !! :shameonyou:



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21 Nov 2012, 10:39 pm

Feel the wrath of ArrantPariah,did I "get your goat"? :lol:



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21 Nov 2012, 11:05 pm

Goodness,I had braces just like that! Old memories.

Is the goats name Gruff?What on earth did you do to the other two?! !? :lol: