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22 Nov 2012, 5:43 pm

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As such, I also know that Bernard Mannings Indian neighbours rejected the racist claims against him.


They did. He might make jokes, but we would defend our peaceful Indian (or Indian Muslim, or Pakistani) neighbours to the hilt. If they're one of "ours", woe betide anyone who upsets us, and I'm thinking of white nationalists here.

I think thomas81 misunderstands British nationalism: it's all our home, and its as much Indians and Pakistanis welcome to see it as their home as everyone else. We might pity the idiots of Islamic extremism (I dislike all extremism - none of it is good for any of us) and hate the ideology, but it doesn't mean we hate them as people. We didn't invite them (our politicians did), but we still would reject them. They're ours.



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22 Nov 2012, 5:46 pm

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So, he was making fun of a wider demographic than just white men?


He didnt make fun of white men at all. Not surprising, as he was one. I have real problems with comedy that tries to be controversial through sweeping generalising but is completely incapable of critical introspection.


And I have real problems with people who are completely incapable of critical introspection when debating Israel, Islam or Economics.

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In the 70's and 80's in England Islamophobia wasn't on the table.


Once again. Islamophobia does not exist.



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22 Nov 2012, 5:49 pm

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Once again. Islamophobia does not exist.

[sarcasm] Correct. We have every reason to believe that all Muslims everywhere are racist, sexist murderers who want to deny women their rights and freedom. Yup ... no such thing as Islamophobia ... [/sarcasm]


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22 Nov 2012, 5:50 pm

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And I have real problems with people who are completely incapable of critical introspection when debating Israel, Islam or Economics.

You say that, but the majority of people who support Israel on this forum are incapable of viewing their position of anything other than infallible and whats more continue to encourage their false victim complex.

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Once again. Islamophobia does not exist.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhIwLgNsfwI[/youtube]



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22 Nov 2012, 5:51 pm

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Oh well. In that case I'm sure the entireity of the black, gay and irish community forgive him all his transgressions then.


Can I tell an Irish joke? Just for you Proddy Fenians out there?

[youtube]mod. note: no, please don't[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80zDslFy0Fg[/youtube]

Both of 'em support(ed) UKIP. Good men.



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22 Nov 2012, 5:54 pm

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Once again. Islamophobia does not exist.


Anti-Muslim prejudice does exist, but I'm talking about where there is unprovoked abuse in the street of people who are Muslim, simply for being Muslim (and I'm not talking about niqab-wearers here). Having said that, Islamophobia itself doesn't exist. It's a lie created by Islamists to engender false guilt and false timidity of those that criticise, mock and ridicule a politico-religious ideology.



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22 Nov 2012, 6:03 pm

Fnord wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Once again. Islamophobia does not exist.

[sarcasm] Correct. We have every reason to believe that all Muslims everywhere are racist, sexist murderers who want to deny women their rights and freedom. Yup ... no such thing as Islamophobia ... [/sarcasm]


1. Islam is an extremely intolerant religion based on Islamic Scripture (Qur'an and Hadith)
2. Islam is an extremely intolerant religion based on the official policy of Islamic countries (Cairo Declaration)
3. Islam is an extremely intolerant religion based on the views of citizens in Islamic countries (Pew Research)



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22 Nov 2012, 6:10 pm

GGPViper wrote:
Fnord wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Once again. Islamophobia does not exist.

[sarcasm] Correct. We have every reason to believe that all Muslims everywhere are racist, sexist murderers who want to deny women their rights and freedom. Yup ... no such thing as Islamophobia ... [/sarcasm]
1. Islam is an extremely intolerant religion based on Islamic Scripture (Qur'an and Hadith)
2. Islam is an extremely intolerant religion based on the official policy of Islamic countries (Cairo Declaration)
3. Islam is an extremely intolerant religion based on the views of citizens in Islamic countries (Pew Research)

Ahh ... a question of semantics ...

I agree completely with each of the three claims you presented.

It is fair to point out that they are real concerns does not mean that Islamophobia does not exist; it just means that there are at least 3 valid reasons for Islamophobia to exist.


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22 Nov 2012, 6:12 pm

"We don't serve your kind here.... real americans dont wear towels on their heads"

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22 Nov 2012, 6:14 pm

Fnord wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Fnord wrote:
GGPViper wrote:
Once again. Islamophobia does not exist.

[sarcasm] Correct. We have every reason to believe that all Muslims everywhere are racist, sexist murderers who want to deny women their rights and freedom. Yup ... no such thing as Islamophobia ... [/sarcasm]
1. Islam is an extremely intolerant religion based on Islamic Scripture (Qur'an and Hadith)
2. Islam is an extremely intolerant religion based on the official policy of Islamic countries (Cairo Declaration)
3. Islam is an extremely intolerant religion based on the views of citizens in Islamic countries (Pew Research)

Ahh ... a question of semantics ...

I agree completely with each of the three claims you presented.

It is fair to point out that they are real concerns does not mean that Islamophobia does not exist; it just means that there are at least 3 valid reasons for Islamophobia to exist.


Yep. And I agree with those points. The important thing that #'s 2 and 3 point out is why religion and government should NEVER mix.



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22 Nov 2012, 6:18 pm

the people crowing about tolerance and intolerance should watch the last video i just posted.



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22 Nov 2012, 6:45 pm

Tolerance should be applicable only to those people for whom car-bombs and revenge killings are not part of an accepted way of life.

There have been too many troubles in the world as it is.


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22 Nov 2012, 6:50 pm

But I thought Iran was the worst fundamentalist country ever.



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22 Nov 2012, 6:52 pm

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Tolerance should be applicable only to those people for whom car-bombs and revenge killings are not part of an accepted way of life.

There have been too many troubles in the world as it is.


Wearing a head scarf = terrorist. See this is what your logic is tantamount to.

The concerning thing is, this rings of precisely the sort of sweeping characterisation that heralded the anti semitism of the 20th century.



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22 Nov 2012, 7:30 pm

For the moderator who censored my Pat Condell video: Pat Condell is, in fact, an Irishman and he took it in good humour, in keeping with the man. He said he didn't much like Irish jokes but felt they needed preserving all the more due to oversensitive people from his homeland.



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22 Nov 2012, 7:36 pm

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Fnord wrote:
Tolerance should be applicable only to those people for whom car-bombs and revenge killings are not part of an accepted way of life. There have been too many troubles in the world as it is.
Wearing a head scarf = terrorist. See this is what your logic is tantamount to.

Wrong. It does not matter if a terrorist wears a headscarf or an orange vest -- a terrorist is a terrorist.

My logic is that any society that advocates terrorist attacks against innocent, defenseless civilians should not be tolerated. Those who advocate tolerance for terrorists may as well be terrorists themselves. Do not assume otherwise.


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