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29 Dec 2012, 8:23 am

naturalplastic: whatever you do - do not watch the video.



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29 Dec 2012, 8:48 am

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
naturalplastic: whatever you do - do not watch the video.


I DID watch it!

Its YOUR crazy video!



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29 Dec 2012, 8:53 am

The only thing I know about Mars is that you can get to Hell through it.



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29 Dec 2012, 9:59 am

naturalplastic wrote:
techstepgenr8tion wrote:
naturalplastic: whatever you do - do not watch the video.


I DID watch it!

Its YOUR crazy video!

On one hand I didn't post this as a debate so much as a resource, at least other people can debate it - I'm not.

The one courtesy I'll chip in though:
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Can you believers please explain one thing to me?

Why did the Martians build a mile-wide portrait of a herdy-gerdy monkey?

Your "face" on Mars has a sloping forehead, no chin, and is framed by a furry mane. Its a much better likeness of a howler monkey than of any human that I've ever seen.

So why did the martians build a vast sculpture of a non-human primate?

The face is human on its right side, lion on its left. Its astrological. The video is about astrological symmetry in ruins both on earth and mars. Essentially you have an ancient religion that likes to draw pentagrams on planets and mark the said planets with ruins according to the astrological ecliptic. I agree with people who'd say that some mounds that look kinda pyramid-ish aren't telling, however when you start playing with precise angles in such things it gets a lot more interesting.

As for why the face half-human? We've got nothing scientifically telling us that if there was ever sentient life on Mars that they had to be little green men; someone thought that sounded neat and it stuck with Hollywood. Why spend so much time and resourced building such a thing? On one side technology is the key to whether that was a ten or fifty year job by millions or a few months of heavy machinery like we'd have in building a stadium in a major city. The significance as well of two faces, human and lion, is also astrological. I can't remember if he had it in this video but you have the construct of the cherubim - face of a man, body of a lion, wings of an eagle or phoenix, and hindquarters of a bull. These are coordinate points to the Milky Way galaxy. The leviathan thing he was talking about was the appearance of how the Milkey Way seems to form a belt around the planet and at the center of the galaxy it looks like a snake eating its tail. The pentagram itself is tied in with that and portends that the five sided star is tied to the equator or at least the ecliptic. I got to thinking last night about what the pentagram is and why their obsession with it, and then I think of the five pointed star being two legs, two arms, a head - its a symbol of apotheosis - ie. man becoming God through spiritual work, through science (ie. transhumanism), by climbing in power trying to gain full control of his fate. I think the argument could be made from this video that not only is what we're currently doing with technology the umpteenth time a civilization has come to where we're at but that civilizations and beings before us had our form and symmetry, even if not exact facial likeness, and before the epic tragedy of the angels falling this had been a common system of growth - ie. the whole 'new age' system of spiritual enlightenment or, perhaps the more effective, luciferian/illuminatic version where people are willing to do certain dark rituals to win the approval of the pagan gods, ie. fallen angels. What comes back even more powerful is the idea that this is the first and only time, anywhere, that part of the actual main God, true source, came down, died, was risen and came to reclaim the destruction that was being wrought on the minds of men and women by the sort of vindictive chess game that the fallen are inflicting here. Salvation by faith had to be done because, the way they can shape calamities and force us out of works, we're no match for them and its the only way there's any chance against these things.

Mind you, I would call this narrative, like many I've looked at in the past year, something that I technically have in suspended disbelief - ie. I'll keep researching it like crazy, seeing where it either does or doesn't tie out, and either keep or discard it accordingly. However, its really turning out to be the biggest juggernaut of a theory that I've ever run into - stronger than reductive materialism (which I went through), stronger than theosophy/new age (which, I went through). I can't say that this is final destination for me, if its not though its a step or two away at most.

On the bright side the horror story of this is a very falsifiable scenario - ie. next pope greets aliens, aliens claim to have something that modifies the bible into a free-for-all including a claim that they created us, created Jesus, and they'd seemingly have the evidence to prove it. If that happens in the next papacy - we're in a worse way than we've ever been in recorded history. If not, well, we'll have to figure it out from there. Regardless of that though the tie ins are as breath-taking as they are completely unnerving, especially with self-avowed Luciferians on youtube saying it themselves, that its an undercurrent in both Gnosticism and New Age. You also have the supposed UFO abductees or military base personnel off record saying that if they mentioned the name of Christ in the presence of these things that they'd react like the thieving or deadbeat employee who had the president of the company called on them. The fallen angels, per the video, are the Greek, Egyptian, and other pagan gods/goddesses of antiquity. The nephilim, ie. children of the sons of god and daughters of man, are your demigods from such legends - ie. Hercules, King Arthur, etc..

A more subjective way to put it - the 'strong delusion' of the tribulation would essentially be a bucket of LSD and rohypnol poured upon the earth. That's especially so thinking about our current reductive materialist outlook, how much we've batted down these ancient stories as ret*d jibberish held by superstitious people who couldn't tell their arses from holes in the ground. To have the entire sci-fi channel bombard the earth and pay us a visit would obliterate most people's minds, ie. everything we're used to thinking of as reality would be gone in an instant. We'd then be left trying negotiate with beings that are tens or hundreds of times stronger, quicker, smarter, socially fluent, etc.. To even try to imagine that is to understand just how bad of a way we'd be in if that were to ever occur - even if you came prepared.



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29 Dec 2012, 10:01 am

Hello. It is NOT a face. It is a wind eroded rock structure as later higher resolution images of the thing demonstrated. There was never any intelligent life on Mars. It is a sh*t hole planet that lost its magnetic field a billion years ago and it unfit for either man nor beast.

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29 Dec 2012, 1:16 pm

Where are the giant deposits of rust left behind from the decay of such an advanced civilization? The location of our cities will be easy to find in the distant future because of the large deposits of rust our metal cities and industries will leave behind. Patches of rust a hundred miles across will remain.



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29 Dec 2012, 1:30 pm

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Where are the giant deposits of rust left behind from the decay of such an advanced civilization? The location of our cities will be easy to find in the distant future because of the large deposits of rust our metal cities and industries will leave behind. Patches of rust a hundred miles across will remain.


The whole damn planet is a ball of rust!
Thats why its called the "Red Planet"!

But yes: where are the beer cans? Where are the candy wrappers?

None of our roving probes has ever found any plastic, nor metal, nor glass, detrietius that an advanced civilization would leave on the planet surface.



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29 Dec 2012, 1:42 pm

bLueTaEl0nENiGMA wrote:
the ancients had an extensive astrological & astronomical knowledge which they placed inside symbols.
the snake eating its tail image becomes the banded pattern of the milky way with a galactic center bulge!
his leaps of conjecture are next to intense imagery & mythology. head scratching = tyme out of mind?


The ancients missed three of our 8 planets and they got the orbits of the ones that they did see quite wrong.

The ancients did not have the first idea about what made the planets move about the sun. In fact they believed the planets and the sun moved about the earth. With the exception of Aristarchus who suspected that the earth and the other planets moved about the sun, but did not know how that could happen.

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29 Dec 2012, 2:24 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
shrox wrote:
Where are the giant deposits of rust left behind from the decay of such an advanced civilization? The location of our cities will be easy to find in the distant future because of the large deposits of rust our metal cities and industries will leave behind. Patches of rust a hundred miles across will remain.


The whole damn planet is a ball of rust!
Thats why its called the "Red Planet"!

But yes: where are the beer cans? Where are the candy wrappers?

None of our roving probes has ever found any plastic, nor metal, nor glass, detrietius that an advanced civilization would leave on the planet surface.


I meant the super advanced civilizations of the past here on Earth.



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29 Dec 2012, 2:43 pm

The pentagram is actually the pentachoron. A 4 dimensional 5 cell hyperpyramid.



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29 Dec 2012, 3:59 pm

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The pentagram is actually the pentachoron.

Correct. Mars had at least one pentagonal pyramid, per the video at least. Could have been wind-created but it had rather crisp edges. Strange weather that.



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29 Dec 2012, 6:22 pm

So who exactly were these pyramid builders on mars?

Did they evolve on mars itsself?

Were they colonists from earth?

Or were they visitors from another star system?

And how did they survive having to breath in a two percent of earth atmosphere?



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29 Dec 2012, 6:29 pm

The brain's supposed to automatically find patterns in what you see. The monkey that was able to notice the predator's face hidden in the bush was better at surviving.

Most of the time, this is a good thing. Specially when driving.

But some times, our brains makes fools of ourselves.

And I mean, read this book and tell me you don't feel a lot more stupid afterwards: http://es.scribd.com/doc/11146/Amazing- ... -Illusions


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29 Dec 2012, 7:13 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
So who exactly were these pyramid builders on mars?

Did they evolve on mars itsself?

Were they colonists from earth?

Or were they visitors from another star system?

And how did they survive having to breath in a two percent of earth atmosphere?


They are natural forms. Same thing happens here on Earth. Such has been pointed out several times.



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29 Dec 2012, 8:16 pm

shrox wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
So who exactly were these pyramid builders on mars?

Did they evolve on mars itsself?

Were they colonists from earth?

Or were they visitors from another star system?

And how did they survive having to breath in a two percent of earth atmosphere?


They are natural forms. Same thing happens here on Earth. Such has been pointed out several times.


Duhhhh!

Im trying to get the believers to state whatever the heck it is they believe in concrete terms.



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29 Dec 2012, 8:35 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
shrox wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
So who exactly were these pyramid builders on mars?

Did they evolve on mars itsself?

Were they colonists from earth?

Or were they visitors from another star system?

And how did they survive having to breath in a two percent of earth atmosphere?


They are natural forms. Same thing happens here on Earth. Such has been pointed out several times.


Duhhhh!

Im trying to get the believers to state whatever the heck it is they believe in concrete terms.

Trust me ... it's like trying to nail Jell-O to a tree. They have no concrete beliefs, only wishful thoughts and empty fantasies.


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