What are Men for?

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I don't let anyone mow my lawn but me,men tend to mow stuff down that I planted.
And I married a poor boy.And divorced him,not because of income but because he was an ass.And I bought my own house and car.And I don't want anyone to hold my purse,they may snoop.But I did get two great kids out of it,so it wasn't all bad.
But I will never let a man hit me again,I will take him down.
I do have 150lbs of animal feed to unload,so,yes I would be grateful for help with that,but I manage.

Wow, that's a lot of animal feed! Do you have a lot of livestock?

I buy in bulk so I don't have to leave the house so often.
I have chickens,and I feed the deer and birds.Lots of doves,the wild birds can go thru 50lbs of black oil sunflower seed in a month when its cold.And the deer eat lots of corn.It's nice to see them right in the yard.And we get ice and snow and I live in a remote area with hilly terrain so I may not be able to get out.So I stock pile.

I must admit that I am very confused by this train of thought. It doesn't take much to look around and see men still going about life doing all kinds of things. They're working, inventing and creating things, discovering things, pursuing their interests, just generally going about life.

I think I just REALLY don't understand the need for a specific gender role for anyone to feel special. My traditional gender role would be "motherhood," but I'm crap at the nurturing thing because I dislike kids. This doesn't make me feel obsolete as a person.

I'm also just a bit surprised to see this train of thought amongst guys on the spectrum, because... honestly... does anyone here REALLY want more society pressure to be the big alpha Manly Man knocking people around and being the only one responsible for making money? That's what's being asked for and I just don't understand it.

Yes, men treat women this way too, and that is a given fact.


Feelings of obsolescence should not be at issue, either.


Ahh ... now I understand.

My list is not of roles that I believe men should have, but more how I see men being treated by the women around them. Of course, these men also seem to have somehow been 'whipped' into a submissive mind-set, but this is not to say that the women in their lives have not been doing any of the 'whipping', either.

What I see happening is that as marriage becomes less about a life-long and loving commitment between a man and a woman, and more of a contractual obligation between two people (not necessarily one man and one woman), I see a break-down in mutual respect for the actual and potential value of each other as people - thus the list of roles I presented.

Ana pointed out that it is not a one-sided issue, and she is correct in that. People seem to be evolving more toward self-centeredness than any social singularity.

@Ana: Yes, my wives and girlfriends have sent me on "Emergency Blue-Box" purchase runs on many occasions.)

In that case, you sound like a really considerate husband or boyfriend, depending on the circumstances! let me thank you on behalf of the ladies in your life in case they have taken you for granted...

Hello and thank you for elaborating.

I think that selective input might be an issue here. If one believes men are the ones who have it bad, then any information that comes along to justify that belief will be taken in, whereas information that doesn't fit the belief will be ignored. This applies for most beliefs. Someone with a tunnel vision feminist view may ignore or reject any evidence that doesn't fit the model of collective male oppression against women. Someone who believes men are being oppressed by women somehow just isn't registering all those men flourishing (and still the majority) in the same fields they always have had (business, politics, science, sports, warfare, etc etc). Why is this? Does the presence of a female scientist or artist make all the male scientists and artists obsolete? I don't think that makes any sense at all.

When I look at relationships around me, I don't see either gender dominating. In some, the guy does. In some, the woman does. Sometimes it's more or less 50/50. I also believe that marriage is MORE about mutual feelings for one another now than it has been in the past. In the past, it was practical. Economic. A tradition and ritual. Something people did because they had to or to fit in. Women couldn't work so they needed to catch someone to "provide." That doesn't really sound like love to me. The reason people didn't divorce wasn't because they loved each other more, but because the woman was dependent and it was socially discouraged or not allowed. So, people stayed in miserable marriages. They had affairs and put up social fronts about it. There was more denial.

There is so much rosy glorification of the past that none of us really had to live through.

When I was in Florida, feeding the numerous seagulls was one of the highlights of my trip.

It seems to me that there are large number of men whose only purpose seems to be to whinge and moan about how hard done by they are.

That's not to say that a little bit of whingeing and moaning isn't fine--it's very therapeutic to have a place where you can express your frustration. The important thing, though, is not to put too much faith in the complaints that you make. Doing the yard work and holding a purse in the mall doesn't make you a slave. You do these things because you love the person that you're doing them for. You're free to walk away tomorrow--but you don't. So clearly things aren't so bad as your complaints might suggest.

We're not penalizing men in the 21st century; we are stopping the penalization of women. We are not eroding men's rights, we are mitigating the disparity of men's privilege.

Nowadays, with our drone planes, we don't need legions of men to march to their doom just because someone decided to start a war.

Still, we see this traditional male role being acted out on football fields throughout the nation, when men will do what they can to injure each other, while ostensibly chasing a ball across the grass.

And, scantily clad females will give us a bit of a sex show, and give the players some affection afterwards.

Models for masculinity and femininity that are no longer really relevant, but that still generate a lot of attention among the neurotypicals.

It seems like we're in the same process we've ever been in socially. We make the dumbest possible mistakes and treat those who can understand the problem as irrelevant or as being acumenical in their assessments in a way that's somehow disjointed from reality - thus we all touch the hot stove together, both those too dumb to learn any other way and those who are dragged kicking and screaming to what they know will burn their hand. It gets even better when we feel like we need to reinvent the wheel for anything we think we learned that wasn't televised (ie. came before).

I see the same thing with this, ie. if women really came to see men as inferior or if society really quartered off all use for men its an open display of just how little imagination we have. To exalt either gender way over the other is to take a dive in the dogpoop and learn the hard way.

It's up to each of us to define our purpose in life. I would no more try to say what a man is for than I'd want anyone but me to say what I'm for.

Btw, I disagree with the premise that men are being marginalized. Most wealthy people, leaders of countries and corporations, are men. Men overall make more money than women. I don't think that indicates marginalization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male%E2%80 ... ted_States

If a man feels marginalized, then maybe he needs to look at his life, what he's doing, who he's letting control him, and take charge of his own existence - not someone else's, but his own. That's what anyone has to do in order to feel their life has purpose.

http://www.sinfest.net/archive_page.php?comicID=2710

So the message is that men are fun?

Yeah and some men (only a few, most actually are able to think so far, that if you want a garden, this means work like everything else) think a garden only needs mowing so they are forced to "do all this work" for the comfort, they chose themself to want. ... And the plants are planting themselfs in spring and autumn, the grass hold its line on its own, the foliages from out- and inside the garden dont fall into the garden out of respect for our property borders, the plant residues turn themself into compost and fertilizer, the bushes and trees are on diet so nobody needs to cut them at least twice a year, and the weed thinks himself: "Oh, thanks god, that I saw in time that this is a herb bed, if not i could have grown here by accident.", the foliages avoid to clogg the gutter out of respect for our property, the rain is always falling exactly in the amount my partner and I need it, and when the plants grow bigger they just jump into their bigger beds from alone, the thistles and nettles already are already standing in a line before the composter, because its so cosy there, the fence is painting itself, and the grown plants are flying magically already washed into the kitchen. And I dont know how the weather is in your country, but our weather is not interested in official evening silence time or weekend, so the grass needs to be mowed when the weather fits, and not when one of us two has time for it, so I´d really be interested how you manage it, that the weather always fits when you are at home and not your female partner. ^^

Sorry, but right now, you yourself are ridiculous, and no its not a men or women thing, because my partner would lie on the floor laughing if you let your partner do 90% of the garden work and then had the nerve to whine of your "lazy" partner, that forces you to do at least 10% of the work you should share on your own and call that "aaaaaaaaaaall that work, I am sooooo poooor". like a teenager whining around that he is sooooooooooo poor, because his terrible parents force him to tidy up his room, aaaaaaaaaall these works, while these lazy suckers only are willing to do the complete rest of the housework. These indolent asocial suckers probably only decided to get kids, because they were too lazy to clean the childrens room on their own, so now the poor kids are forced to do "aaaaaaaall this terrible" work for them.... XD

I would advice you, to neverever buy anything, because any property you have, needs care. So if you and your partner decide to have a car together, I want to warn you, to prevent you from disappointment. Because it could be, that the needed care for your car also will not be done by magic during night or completely by your partner and you could be forced to do at least a part of "....aaaaaaall this work" if you dont want your car to break down.

Really, i am just laughing since I read your post. Where did you live until now? In dreamland where everythings comes from alone? If you decide to buy a house, a grown up person usually knows, that this means work. The same goes for garden, car, cloths (Yes, really if you buy yourself shoes, then there may come the time when they dont clean themself by magic and you have to do "aaaaaaall this work" on your own..... and so on.

Guess why my partner and I have no pool in our garden. Because a pool needs work, we discussed it, decided we dont want to do the work, because it would cost us more time, then we had to enjoy it. Wo we decided that we dont want to have one. Instead of buying one, and when it comes to do the necessary work whine around because "aaaaaall this work" that doesnt do itself on its own. XD

And yes, this kind of people, that havent grown up yet, exist in all humanity, women and men. Thank god you can just laugh into such peoples face and dont need to have a partnerships with them. So if you are in a relationship with such a child: Your fault, not womens. ^^

Sex?Someone to make the woman a sandwitch?