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15 Mar 2013, 5:39 pm

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Israeli policeman stated on facebook desire to 'slay arabs'


So what? There's no doubt a much greater percentage of Arabs that want to slay Israelis.


No doubt, but first and foremost, average arabs dont have a "do what the f**k i want and get away with it" badge.

Secondly and just as importantly those arabs have been forced off their ancestral lands by a developed militarised complex with a carte blanche from the United States and its allies. I could easilly speculate were i in their shoes, I'd have a similar axe to grind.


So to make a long story short this pointless little story about ONE (1) Israeli cop with an ax to grind is yet another vent hole for your hatred of Israel and, of course. the United States.
I rest my case.
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15 Mar 2013, 5:44 pm

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Israeli policeman stated on facebook desire to 'slay arabs'


So what? There's no doubt a much greater percentage of Arabs that want to slay Israelis.


No doubt, but first and foremost, average arabs dont have a "do what the f**k i want and get away with it" badge.

Secondly and just as importantly those arabs have been forced off their ancestral lands by a developed militarised complex with a carte blanche from the United States and its allies. I could easilly speculate were i in their shoes, I'd have a similar axe to grind.


So to make a long story short this pointless little story about ONE (1) Israeli cop with an ax to grind is yet another vent hole for your hatred of Israel and, of course. the Unites States.
I rest my case.
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No more pointless than every other diatribe posted on this forum about palestinian or hamas anti Israel sentiment, my star spangled detractor.


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15 Mar 2013, 5:50 pm

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Israel is the worlds front line between the western neo-liberal mandate and 'the rest of the world'. That is why its a source of special interest to me.

That and the sh** it has been getting away with for the last 60 years in the name of western capitalism.


What did Israel get away with in the name of western capitalism in 1948, and what is the "western neo-lineral mandate?


want me to write a dissertation?


Fair enough, I will look this up for the sake of wanting to know where people come from. I was hoping you could pitch it to me in a few sentences though lol.


ok none of this should really be news, but to nutshell it-
*The way that the british mandate and zionist militias forced the nakba creating the largest displacement of Palestinians in their history-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day

*the way that America cynically sought to exploit Israel as a satellite during the cold war (to prevent it becoming a soviet ally) thus it became an outpost of American style capitalism.

*the associated disproportionate amount of American aid Israel recieves (40%) that goes to bankroll their military campaign to further undermine arab controlled territory.

*The way in which since the nakba, Israel has been preventing Palestinian migrants from re-entering Palestinian territory.


If you believe these things then how can you even justify Israel as a country?

How they divided the land screwed both sides, and when given the opportunity for statehood, Israel complied, the Arab League didn't. Instead they told Arabs to leave their homes, and that Jews would be killed. Literally, they were gonna defeat Israel, drive them into the ocean. Had the Arab league taken a different approach, diplomatic...there would be no Nakba.....

Like I said, if you believe all this stuff, there is no talk about two states, or Israel leaving occupied land etc etc....


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15 Mar 2013, 5:55 pm

at that particular juncture, the arabs were in no position to drive anyone into the ocean. They never have been. They were outmanned and outgunned, and the Israelis essentially had British backing.

If you beleive the contrary, you are kidding yourself.


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15 Mar 2013, 5:58 pm

thomas81 wrote:
ok none of this should really be news, but to nutshell it-
*The way that the british mandate and zionist militias forced the nakba creating the largest displacement of Palestinians in their history-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba_Day

What does this have to do with the "neo-liberal mandate" and Western capitalism?

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*the way that America cynically sought to exploit Israel as a satellite during the cold war (to prevent it becoming a soviet ally) thus it became an outpost of American style capitalism.

I'm pretty sure the prospect of Israel becoming a Soviet ally was pretty much zero due to UN General Assembly Resolution 3379, which the USSR voted in favour of.

Furthermore, Britain laid the foundations for Israel with the Balfour Declaration and the US was the first country to de facto recognize Israel.

All in all, choosing sides in the cold war was a no-brainer for Israel in my opinion.

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*the associated disproportionate amount of American aid Israel recieves (40%) that goes to bankroll their military campaign to further undermine arab controlled territory.

Last time I checked, Israel receives approximately 6 percent of US foreign aid, about twice the amount given by the US to Pakistan and Egypt, respectively.
http://gbk.eads.usaidallnet.gov/data/fast-facts.html

Oh, and:

What does this have to do with the "neo-liberal mandate" and Western capitalism?

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*The way in which since the nakba, Israel has been preventing Palestinian migrants from re-entering Palestinian territory.

What does this have to do with the "neo-liberal mandate" and Western capitalism?



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15 Mar 2013, 6:23 pm

That "Israeli Policeman" on face book might have been a ringer. You do not know for sure who that person is.

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15 Mar 2013, 6:32 pm

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That "Israeli Policeman" on face book might have been a ringer. You do not know for sure who that person is.

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Good point.



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15 Mar 2013, 6:35 pm

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at that particular juncture, the arabs were in no position to drive anyone into the ocean. They never have been. They were outmanned and outgunned, and the Israelis essentially had British backing.

If you beleive the contrary, you are kidding yourself.


If that was the case, why did Israel stop....why not take even more land. Why give land back?


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16 Mar 2013, 5:57 am

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Come back and let us know when you find an armed force or police force anywhere on the planet (other than the Swiss Guard, perhaps) whose members are entirely free from people with unacceptable views. Every population includes extremists. Israelis are no exception. However, you are attempting to hold up one as a representation of many.


Which is known as antisemitism in this particular case.

It's the same thing as holding up the Facebook messages of a few bigoted English police officers and trying to make out they represent English people's views as a whole. It's racist.

Also, Electronic Intifada is not to be trusted. It's a viciously anti-Israel website that twists and misrepresents stories before. We've been here with the lie of the Palestinian-only buses, remember, where the OP added to the lie and insisted that Israelis were banning Palestinians from their buses and suggested it was like 1950s America.



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16 Mar 2013, 6:27 am

I wouldn't be surprised if Ziad Jilani had tried to drive through the East Jerusalem checkpoint, to be honest with you and the Israeli Army had moved in self defence.

There's very little information on the case, apart from on the most loony anti-Semitic webpages. Electronic Intifada, Richard Silverstein, antiwar, Islamist websites and so on.



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16 Mar 2013, 6:54 am

I think you are going to get these people with these sort of views.

It matter only if they have power and influence. Of course if he does act out his desires that is clearly wrong.

I am not one who think that everyone one in the Knesset or Israeli military is moderate, and the rising dominance of the ultras is a concern, not least for Israelis.

On the other hand these thread are just terrible, there is no really argument there.

What I hate about these scenarios, it there is too much focus on who is wrong, rather then solutions. I get the impression you would rather be seen as suffering, than liberated.



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16 Mar 2013, 7:05 am

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I am not one who think that everyone one in the Knesset or Israeli military is moderate


Yes, there are certainly a number of MKs I would not want around for dinner. Starting with the Arab MKs who demand Israel's demise in there every week.



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16 Mar 2013, 8:51 am

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Which is known as antisemitism in this particular case.

Opposition to Israel and its policies =/= bigotry against Jews.

This dishonest smear by Israeli supporters has been rubbished already but you consistently parrot it in hope that by throwing enough mud it will stick.
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It's the same thing as holding up the Facebook messages of a few bigoted English police officers and trying to make out they represent English people's views as a whole. It's racist.

One significant difference is that those English police officers were reprimanded by their superiors (eventually). This individual on the other hand was allowed to carry out a cold blooded murder of a Palestinian civillian. Why wasnt he stripped of his badge upon expressing his views?
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Also, Electronic Intifada is not to be trusted. It's a viciously anti-Israel website that twists and misrepresents stories before. We've been here with the lie of the Palestinian-only buses, remember, where the OP added to the lie and insisted that Israelis were banning Palestinians from their buses and suggested it was like 1950s America.


No, in some instances its worse than 1950's America. I am not aware of any instance that the white Americans built a concrete wall around the black ghetto which was patrolled day and night by heavilly armed guards, and prohibited re-entry to those that fled the country.


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16 Mar 2013, 8:56 am

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at that particular juncture, the arabs were in no position to drive anyone into the ocean. They never have been. They were outmanned and outgunned, and the Israelis essentially had British backing.

If you beleive the contrary, you are kidding yourself.


If that was the case, why did Israel stop....why not take even more land. Why give land back?


the British had promised land to both sides and were sticking up for the Israelis in as much as it suited their agenda.


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16 Mar 2013, 9:07 am

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I wouldn't be surprised if Ziad Jilani had tried to drive through the East Jerusalem checkpoint, to be honest with you and the Israeli Army had moved in self defence.

you wouldnt, would you?

according to haaretz he was lying on his belly and was shot dead at point blank range while incapacitated. It was completely disproportionate. He was accused of knocking over policemen but their testimonies were riddled with inconsistencies.

My guess is its more likely Vinogradov had made a conscious decision that day to kill an arab and had pulled his gun to provoke Jilani into making a getaway. There was no need to pull the trigger after the arrest. If he was some sort of terrorist he would have been strapped with explosives or guns and the Israeli hack media would have made a big deal of it. But they kept hush about it. Wonder why?
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There's very little information on the case, apart from on the most loony anti-Semitic webpages. Electronic Intifada, Richard Silverstein, antiwar, Islamist websites and so on.

Silverstein is a very odd name for an anti-semite, wouldnt you agree?


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16 Mar 2013, 10:22 am

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Silverstein is a very odd name for an anti-semite, wouldnt you agree?


There are people who hate members of their own ethnic group. Perhaps they have internalised racism and hatred from people opposed to that ethnic group, perhaps they are self-haters of some kind or another, perhaps they crave acceptance. People like Gilad Atzmon (so racist even most of the anti-Israel far-left have denounced him as a racist who discredits them), Richard Silverstein and a few others like Israel Shamir fit the bill.

If I said that I believed that Hitler's war against the disabled was justified, I'd be a disabled person with a hatred of disabled people - so I'd be anti-disabled people.
If I was black and I justified the racist system in Apartheid South Africa by saying that those blacks deserved being treated like dirt, I'd be a black person racist against black people.
If I was an American who literally hated my own country and pleaded with a foreign power to raise her to the ground, I'd be an anti-American American.

Being part of the ethnic group being discriminated against does not exclude someone from charges of racism. They're not always justified, but in some cases with the most extreme Jewish antisemites, they are.