Verdict in Steubenville Case

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NOBODY DESERVES TO GET RAPED!! ! capiche?

but they should take those bullyboy rapists in prison and lock them in a room with each other, with the understanding that the first person to try something will be summarily castrated sans anaesthetic or surgical instruments.

Sorry in advance for sickening facts, but.....
Some time before, possibly as long as two months before the night she was assaulted, a local kid named Cody Saltsman posted nasty stuff on My Space, or Twitter, or wherever (I really do not remember, you can Google 'Cody Saltsman', there is a lot to read) that she had dumped him or refused to go out with him.
He hoped she would be 'roofied', gang-raped, etc.
There were responses, and at one point, someone named ' Mammabear'' wrote that it was set up, his friends would pretend to like her, would rape her, pee on her,........Google it, this does not belong on a WP open forum, okay?

She was at a small get-together of her teammates, at one girl's home.
Mays and Richmond showed up, really, really wanted her to come to a party with them, told her how much everyone there liked her and wanted her to be there.
She does say that she had three drinks before she left.
She threw up at least once before they got to the first party.
Does anyone find it odd that someone would want to bring a nauseated, staggering 'drunk' girl into a party? Wouldn't most people take her right back to where they had picked her up?
Malik Richmond said at one point before the trial, that he 'was just doing a favor for a friend, and now I got in trouble'.
The day after the party, the assistant coach personally called all team members and told them to delete any images of her at the party from their phones and any written references to what they had seen or names of anyone involved.

Cody Saltsman's parents started a lawsuit claiming slander against the blogger who exposed this possibly being a set-up, instigated by him.

Days later, the suit was dropped.

This whole miserable mess was so much more than a drunken girl molested by drunken teen-aged boys who somehow did not realize that she was unconscious.

And not only Richmond and Mays assaulted her.


Long post, I know.....sorry, I am sickened by the whole thing........

Sylkat

No. It can happen anywhere, but some places are more likely than others. In his world?? A woman does not go out at night. A woman ideally should not go out alone. It eventually becomes understood that a woman must, sometimes, go out "alone," at least in a country that does not practice shari'a.

I have to take the kids to the dentist/doctor during business hours on weekdays-- I go, and I come back. I have to go to the grocery during the day-- I go, I come straight back. I do not a gun-- in Pennsylvania, I'm not allowed to own one as I am considered potentially dangerous (I took myself to the hospital when I could no longer fight suicidal urges). I do not carry pepper spray or any other weapon-- that might be interpreted as aggression.

If you go to a party, make it a respectable party, and go with your spouse/partner/SO. Stay with them unless you are in the bathroom. Lock the door when you go pee, and don't take too long. Not everyone who seems respectable is respectable; no place is actually safe.

We used to go to New Year parties at the home of one of his friend's parents. Stuffy upscale condo community. The room was full of people drinking cheap champagne and making stupid smalltalk-- GPAs and grad school plans and papers they'd written and awards they were nominated for. Politely dressed bragging and self-promotion. At first, I excused myself to the parking lot to smoke when I started getting disgusted and overwhelmed. That was not acceptable-- then he had to leave the party to babysit me. I eventually learned to pour my drink down the bathroom sink so it would appear I had drunk quite a bit, lean into the back of the couch, and pretend to be asleep. I am glad that the friend has moved to California, that the group has broken up, that we have had too many children for such gatherings, and that we don't go to those parties any more.

I used to think he was really well-intentioned, but immature and insecure. I used to cut classes and sneak off to get some time to myself. Then I used to think he was a paranoid, controlling ass. I used to think that people should simply understand that there are some things you don't do to other people, that no one deserves to be hurt.

Now I understand that he was right, and I was naive.

I was a bleeding heart and an idealist. Maybe it should be that way, but it isn't. This world may be a s**t hole, but it's the s**t hole we're in. Accept it, live in it, live with it. The alternative is suicide. Idealism is nice. I wish we lived in a more idealistic world. It would be nice.

Idealism is also a trait of autistic pathology, and a form of delusion.

Sorry, sad but true. I'm sorry this stupid kid got hurt. Sad for her. Not sad that the as*holes that did it are going to jail-- and I hope they get a dose of their own medicine. Not sad that the b*****s who threatened her are going to get in trouble too. I actually hope they catch ever f**ktard that passed those posts and messages on and charge them all with distributing child porn and obstructing justice.

Doesn't change the fact that she shouldn't have been there, shouldn't have been drinking, shouldn't have been taking risks. If you're going to stick your hands in a fire, don't complain when you get burned.

For the record, I'm teaching my DD11 the same thing. That I will crucify her if I catch her participating in anything like that-- even if I find out that she so much as laughed at a text and then deleted it without sending it on. That if I find out she is participating in bullying, I will make her life a living hell.

And that, if she invites something like that to happen to her, she can expect me to drive her to the doctor, the therapist, the obstetrician or the abortion clinic as she preferrs. I am not my husband-- I will not threaten to disown her, send her away (what my grandparents did when my aunt got raped by a black guy-- you couldn't get an abortion in West Virginia in the 60s), or make her listen to me tear my hair out screaming what shame she's brought on the family (what my grandmother did when I was stupid enough to be open and honest and my stepmom's sister started spreading lies about me).

What she cannot expect, is any measure of sympathy whatsoever. Burn your ass, sit on the blister.

Yes, blame the victim! It's always the victim's fault! Set all of the murderers, rapists, and child-abusers free!

I don't know where you live that makes you believe women shouldn't go outside alone, but I always feel quite safe outside alone. The majority of men are not rapists and I'm not scared of them. I think that a minority of men are rapists and what makes it more prevalent is that this minority are repeat offenders who get away with it. Often, they get away with it because they live within a culture that places more blame on victims of rape than the criminals. This makes victims of rape less likely to speak out against the criminals, so these criminals can go do it again and again.

Feminist-liberal leaning societies in which rape is not excused are much safer in the end for women to be free to walk outside and go about their business. It's not a mystery why I feel safe walking around outside all by myself (no matter what I'm wearing) in a feminist-liberal leaning country like Canada, but would likely be raped for this in a violently male dominated society that puts the burden on women to control men's sexual urges and gives rapists a pass.

I don't live in Saudi Arabia and won't put on a burqa or ask for male escorts to go outside. If a guy seriously can't control himself at the sight of my legs, HE is the one who should stay inside because he has serious problems. A society's culture and attitudes about rape shouldn't revolve around this minority of messed up people.