USA nuclear retaliation to North korea attack

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The USA *SHOULD NOT* be the cause of another Hiroshima. Would they? I highly doubt it, as Fnord pointed out, nuclear weapons wouldn't be necessary anyway. In any case, isn't there a treaty that forbids the use of nuclear weapons against an enemy?

The Kim family can only retain their grip on North Korea by both satiating their vast military caste system and keeping the population fearful of imminent annihilation. Make no mistake, North Korean bluffing is really for North Koreans to pay attention to. The rest of the world can safely ignore it. All one needs to do to know this is the truth is look at the affluence of NK's ruling elite. They live like nobody else in their nation. They do not want to give up their privileged lifestyle, so to maintain it they have Kim exacerbate the crisis that gives them power

Didja ever hear of The Treaty of Versailles?

^ Did you just suggest that it is okay to do something because Hitler did it?

That's a bizarre inversion of Godwin's law...

Said treaties forbid the 'first use' of nukes.

If someone nukes us ( or even an ally in a mutual defense club like NATO) then it isnt 'first use' anymore. So we could nuke 'em back. Whether we should might be an open question.

its been suggested in mainstream news sources that Un isn't really running North Korea. He is just the façade while his aunts and uncles in the background are the ones pulling the strings.

Not all all. I bring it up to point out that any treaty is worthless to a madman once he comes into power.

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Agree with several above posters that this all has more to do with somekind of hidden-from-our-view internal politics in North Korea than it does with any real hostility he has to the outside world.


He has just taken over the throne from his dad and has to prove himself. It might be some kind of court intrigue he is responding to.

Saber rattling to extort aid is not new for the NK regime, but this seems like more desperate saber rattling than usual. Maybe NK is starting to unravel and become a failed state- and he needs more aid ( food, or whatever) than usual- thus needs to be more threatening than usual hoping to extort more goodies than usual.

That is the most likely case.

Right, the allies violated the Treaty of Versailles


This is in relation to "Will/Should the US use nuclear weapons?" when the madman you speak of is already attacking with nuclear weapons, unless you say that the US becomes the madman.

In a way the Allies did. The failed to enforce the treaty and the let Germany get away with murder.

ruveyn

I have read articles and discussions of politicians that have experience in this area and with the surrounding countries. So most of these people think, that if north corea really were that mad to shoot atomic missiles against south corea or the USA, they would get conquered by the Chinese within a week. Because if north corea would launch atomic missiles, so would other countries in response against north corea, which is at the border to China. And the chinese wouldnt want the world or the USA to launch atomic missiles against an area at their border, because it could cause too much trouble. (As example an US missile that fails norht corea and hits china. In the best way, these would be a diplomatic catastrophe for years or decades.) so they simply would conquer north corea themselfes, deleting military launch areas within a few days, because of the amount of weapons they have in reach.

If there are at least some brain cells still working in the norht corean regime, they are supposed to know this as well, so all this threatening by norht corea, seems to be nothing more then show. Or they are completly mad, and will get conquered by china.

But that china would not be interested in the USA having a nuclear right in their neighborhood, sounds reasonable for me.

Although China does not like Anerica very much,America is Chinas top trading partner if it were up to China they would thump North Korea in order to keep making money from America!

North Korea is China's junkyard dog. It can put up a fight.

In the old days the Korean war was fought to a draw, since then they have prepared for the next round. So has China, and Korea has more troops than Viet Nam did. As I recall, bombing them did not keep them from winning.

If you think wars start and end, you do not understand China, borders, and regional power.

When Communists were winning elections in Viet Nam and Korea, white devils in Europe decided to partition their countries, and replace Japanese occupation with European.

France was kicked out twice, first by the Japanese, then by the Vietnamese. Then after twenty years, so were the Americans.

North Korea was pushed back to the Chinese border, then came back and pushed the UN or whoever back to the original line. The whole of Korea and Manchuria, had been occupied by the Japanese.

Japan was invading in the 30's, but had done so many times, killing Koreans was a hobby of theirs, and Chinese. They had been doing it for a thousand years.

So some stood and fought the Japanese, then the round eyed white devils, and saved Korea. Slander aside, about a thousand years ago China imported movable type from Korea where it was invented. They do have a history. Japan saw them as Rome saw Carthage, something superior that must be destroyed.

Korea beat the Japanese, and the UN white devils, and are ready for another land war in Asia. They have a million man army, we have 500,000, they are busy. Anti aircraft has improved, Viet Nam air force had a superior record shooting down Americans. They had prisons full of pilots.

The men of South Korea are first in the world in wearing makup, and skinny jeans.

The outcome of a conventional war, a replay of the war that never ended, would turn on the meat grinder and need to be fed.

The North has developed tunnels, they have routes, supplies, hospitals already in place.

Air and sea power would be useless. Defenses have improved. Also American bases would become targets, and they are in Japan. Both Japan and Germany wish they were not. That war ended sixty seven years ago.

There is no missle shield along the 38th, South Korea would be in rubble in days. The invasion would proceed rapidly, and we would have to bomb South Korea to save it. No invasion fleet would make it, and they would be conventional targets of war.

We are and have been at war with North Korea. It has been on pause.

We have to send a million troops, and a trillion dollars, before the shooting starts. We do not have either.

Nuclear is not an option for there are no limited nuclear wars.

North Korea published a war plan. A fishing boat, cargo ship, or sub, drops a nuke off LA, SF, Seattle, 15-20 miles offshore, a few hundred foot down. When they go off the wave will take out LA. Mile high Wave, Dude!

They have the bombs and the transport, and are talking like they are already in place.

They did put something in orbit last year. One more, 125 miles up, there goes all the electronics, and replacements come from Asia, like Korea.

In even a limited war Japan would get trashed. We still have Guam! It is small, in range, target rich, but we have it.

Iran is supplying the oil, it is a bobby trap being set up to counter attacking them, and a move by China to force the Americans out of Japan, which the Japanese support.

Playing chess with the Russians and Persians, and Go with the Asians, is not going well. Support the move or abandon it.

Your turn.

Huh? The Treaty of Versailles ended World War 1, at which time nuclear weapons weren't really even theorized.

Also the Treaty of Versailles is a separate protocol from the Geneva Conventions which outlaw certain types of weapons.

The T.O.V did specify that the German army had to be capped at 100,000 troops, that the Germans have no heavy artillary and that they have no air force. By 1935 Germany had violated every one of those terms and none of the Allies did a thing about it. Not even France.

ruveyn