IRS apologizes for targeting Tea Party groups

Page 2 of 6 [ 83 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Next

Previous topic | Next topic

AgentPalpatine
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 9 Jun 2007
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,881
Location: Near the Delaware River

11 May 2013, 3:16 pm

Jacoby wrote:

They'll audit Tea Party and 'patriot' groups but refuse to audit the fed. Absolutely sickening.

The Federal Reserve is audited by the General Accountability Office and Deloitte (Big 4 Accounting Firm), is subject to oversight by the US Treasury, both houses of the United States Congress, and judical oversight.

For example, last time I checked, I believe the chairperson of the Federal Reserve Board speaks before congress at least once every six months. The testimony is usually carried live on at least one major US television channel, sometimes several.

Page 3 of the attached is the auditor's report for FY2012.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/monetaryp ... mt2012.pdf

_________________
Our first challenge is to create an entire economic infrastructure, from top to bottom, out of whole cloth.
-CEO Nwabudike Morgan, "The Centauri Monopoly"
Sid Meier's Alpha Centauri (Firaxis Games)

Kraichgauer
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 48,627
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.

11 May 2013, 3:21 pm

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

/\ /\ /\

In some circles that is political persecution. :roll:

If racist groups say they're going to beat up of kill racial minorities, don't the authorities have the right to check them out? Audits are the way the IRS checks people out.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

I think there's quite a difference between an act of violence and cheating on taxes.
At least now we know where your priorities really are.........

I think you know I was only using that as an example. I could just have easily said, being that MBLA (Man-Boy-Love Association) promotes pedophilia, the authorities would have a reasonable assumption to investigate them for that that crime. Would you have preferred that comparison?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Too late to backpedal now.

If you think I'm backpedaling, you really don't grasp the meaning of my post.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

xenon13
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 13 Dec 2008
Age: 48
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,638

11 May 2013, 10:28 pm

This apology proves that Teabaggers have official approval. They never apologise to Occupy.

Jacoby
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,284
Location: Permanently banned by power tripping mods lol this forum is trash

11 May 2013, 10:44 pm

xenon13 wrote:

This apology proves that Teabaggers have official approval. They never apologise to Occupy.

The only reason they came forward was because they were told somebody was going to go public with the information. They wanted to get ahead of the story so it didn't seem like a major scandal.

xenon13
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 13 Dec 2008
Age: 48
Gender: Male
Posts: 3,638

11 May 2013, 11:29 pm

They did not have to apologise for it. Why should they? They did not apologise for the shameful things they did in the Occupy case, and by that I mean the Feds through the FBI. They admitted more or less to shielding people who were planning to assassinate Occupy people... admitting to being an accessory to that, of approving of that... of being involved in a murder plot against them.

Jacoby
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 10 Dec 2007
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 14,284
Location: Permanently banned by power tripping mods lol this forum is trash

13 May 2013, 12:30 pm

The apology and response from Obama is pretty weird, I'll give you that. Would it be too conspiratorial to suggest they are distracting us from something else? The timing with the whole Benghazi scandal unfolding at the same time is interesting to think about, how deep does the rabbit hole go with Benghazi? It has been suggested that that Benghazi diplomatic mission wasn't really a diplomatic mission but rather a CIA black site for torture of foreign detainees and running guns to "rebels" in Syria. We haven't heard many questions from the GOP on what was the CIA's involvement and what they were really doing there. General Peteraeus did resign rather abruptly from his CIA post not long after...

Kraichgauer
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 48,627
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.

13 May 2013, 4:09 pm

Jacoby wrote:

It's been suggested, it's been suggested.
But is there any proof?
Incidentally, Patraeus resigned because he couldn't keep his pants zipped up, end of story.
And the GOP investigation is for the most part a means to not only hurt the Obama administration, but also to shoot down Hilary Clinton's presidential campaign even before it starts. That much ballyhooed whistle blower the Republicans and Fox kept claiming would undo Obama and Clinton in fact said under oath Secretary Clinton was not at fault.
If anything, trying to tie a legitimate investigation into groups promoting tax evasion to Benghazi is a far fetched political maneuver by desperate Republican politicians and operatives.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 88
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

13 May 2013, 4:21 pm

If political advocacy groups are to be investigated for fund handling irregularities then they ALL should be investigated regardless of what they advocate. Picking and choosing according to what the group advocates is a denial of equal protection of the laws which violates the 14 th Amendment.

ruveyn

Kraichgauer
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 48,627
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.

13 May 2013, 4:25 pm

ruveyn wrote:

Even if said group is advocating a crime like tax evasion?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Dox47
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,670
Location: Seattle-ish

15 May 2013, 1:22 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Even if said group is advocating a crime like tax evasion?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

That's not the criteria they used, they just went after any group that had Tea Party of the word 'patriot' in their name, or later, groups that advocated educating about the Constitution.

Just admit your partisan bias here, you're perfectly okay with abuse of power if it's people you don't like being abused.

_________________
Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer.

- Rick Sanchez

Kraichgauer
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 48,627
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.

15 May 2013, 1:40 am

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Even if said group is advocating a crime like tax evasion?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

No, I don't like abuse of power - neither does the President, as he disagrees with me on this matter. But the fact remains, members of the various tea parties, and so called patriot groups advocate tax rebellion. On top of that, these groups have disingenuously tried to claim tax exempt status by saying they were non-profit organizations working for the general welfare - with no political motives. No political motives - the tea party? I still think the IRS had genuine reason to audit these groups. That isn't, in my opinion, an abuse of power.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Dox47
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 28 Jan 2008
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,670
Location: Seattle-ish

15 May 2013, 2:13 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

No, I don't like abuse of power

*cough!*RubyRidge*cough*

Kraichgauer wrote:

- neither does the President, as he disagrees with me on this matter.

THIS president LOVES abuse of power, and I've demonstrated it nearly every time we've interacted in the last several years. Whistle blowers? Drone assassinations? Medical marijuana crackdown? Refusing to release innocent men from Gitmo? More deportations than all the Bush years combined? Illegal war in Libya? Massive abuse of executive privilege and national security law? Do I really need to do this Every Single Time with you?

I feel like I'm arguing with that guy from Memento, the one who forgets everything at the end of the day. Take a screen cap or something and tape it to your monitor, this is getting ridiculous.

Kraichgauer wrote:

But the fact remains, members of the various tea parties, and so called patriot groups advocate tax rebellion.

So what if they do? Not all of them do, many of them advocate tax reform, and absent any actual evidence of wrongdoing, there is not a legitimate reason for these investigations. Advocating changing the law is not a crime.

Kraichgauer wrote:

On top of that, these groups have disingenuously tried to claim tax exempt status by saying they were non-profit organizations working for the general welfare - with no political motives. No political motives - the tea party?

EVERYBODY uses this loophole, but only the conservative groups were targeted, that's the scandal. If they and every other political group had been treated equally, there wouldn't be a problem, but they were singled out for political, not legal, reasons, and that's a problem. Not to you though, apparently.

Kraichgauer wrote:

I still think the IRS had genuine reason to audit these groups. That isn't, in my opinion, an abuse of power.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Of course you do.

_________________
Your boos mean nothing, I've seen what makes you cheer.

- Rick Sanchez

Kraichgauer
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 48,627
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.

15 May 2013, 5:04 am

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

No, I don't like abuse of power

*cough!*RubyRidge*cough*

Kraichgauer wrote:

- neither does the President, as he disagrees with me on this matter.

Kraichgauer wrote:

But the fact remains, members of the various tea parties, and so called patriot groups advocate tax rebellion.

Kraichgauer wrote:

I still think the IRS had genuine reason to audit these groups. That isn't, in my opinion, an abuse of power.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Of course you do.

Who says I liked what happened at Ruby Ridge? I just believe the Wheelers had brought the federal government down on themselves with their own insane ideas. And please, PLEASE, don't turn this into another argument about Ruby Ridge.
As for Obama abusing power - I think that's in the eye of the beholder. After all, plenty of Neo-Confederates to this day say the exact thing about Lincoln. But drone strikes? Bush killed a whole lot of people indiscriminately with air strikes. Gitmo? Obama will probably close down the facility before his term is up, as he's expressing renewed interest in this matter. I'm not going to defend the prosecution of whistle blowers - but no President is going to please everyone all the time.
And I'll tell you what - if it's factually demonstrated that Obama had ordered audits of tea party and so called patriot groups for political reasons, then I'll join the band wagon and criticize him. But so far, I haven't heard of any legally proven connection - and Republican wishful thinking doesn't count.
And by the way, it's hardly true that every organization given tax exempt status holds political views that they try to slip through the loopholes. By the way, where was the outrage when churches that had opposed the war with Iraq were audited by the IRS under Bush?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

CSBurks
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 29 Apr 2012
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 766

15 May 2013, 6:17 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

No, I don't like abuse of power

*cough!*RubyRidge*cough*

Kraichgauer wrote:

- neither does the President, as he disagrees with me on this matter.

Kraichgauer wrote:

But the fact remains, members of the various tea parties, and so called patriot groups advocate tax rebellion.

Kraichgauer wrote:

I still think the IRS had genuine reason to audit these groups. That isn't, in my opinion, an abuse of power.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Of course you do.

Reauthorisation of the Patriot Act, signing the NDAA (after saying he'd veto it) and now we find out that the DOJ has been spying on the Associated Press.

Yes, Bush conducted drone strikes. But Obama CONTINUES to conduct drone strikes. Obama has conducted about SIX TIMES the number of drone strikes as Bush.

The New York Times has a nice, scathing editorial on the Obama administration. Link

Kraichgauer
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 48,627
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.

15 May 2013, 6:29 am

CSBurks wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

No, I don't like abuse of power

*cough!*RubyRidge*cough*

Kraichgauer wrote:

- neither does the President, as he disagrees with me on this matter.

Kraichgauer wrote:

But the fact remains, members of the various tea parties, and so called patriot groups advocate tax rebellion.

Kraichgauer wrote:

I still think the IRS had genuine reason to audit these groups. That isn't, in my opinion, an abuse of power.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Of course you do.

Yes, yes. But I still prefer Obama to Romney or Bush.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

CSBurks
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 29 Apr 2012
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 766

15 May 2013, 6:35 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

CSBurks wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Dox47 wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

No, I don't like abuse of power

*cough!*RubyRidge*cough*

Kraichgauer wrote:

- neither does the President, as he disagrees with me on this matter.

Kraichgauer wrote:

But the fact remains, members of the various tea parties, and so called patriot groups advocate tax rebellion.

Kraichgauer wrote:

I still think the IRS had genuine reason to audit these groups. That isn't, in my opinion, an abuse of power.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Of course you do.

Yes, yes. But I still prefer Obama to Romney or Bush.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

In High School, I was 18 and I voted for Bush. In 2008, I voted for Obama. I think I made a mistake both time.

Luckily in 2012, I didn't vote for any of the sons a b*tches.

Page 2 of 6 [ 83 posts ] Go to page Previous 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 Next

Jump to:

IRS apologizes for targeting Tea Party groups Post Reply New Topic

IRS apologizes for targeting Tea Party groups