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11 May 2013, 12:29 pm

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Yes but he isnt marketing his politics towards those who would regard him as a murderer.

I think even most fascists would regard him as a murderer because he is one. I know fascists have a tenuous grasp on reality but I doubt even most vile people actually support what he did.

you've obviously never seen stormfront or vanguard news network.

I feel like such things pollute my computer. Do the people who post there ever leave their bedroom, anyway?

Thats the disturbing part, some of them post their photographs and many appear 'normal' looking. Do not assume the cliched shaven head, combats and red braces. You would have no idea they harbour such hate, if you bumped into them in the street.

I've never thought that they look like skinheads (in this country) anyway. Skinhead culture is mostly about beer, football and bad punk/ska music, anyway. I tend to picture modern day fascists as being even less socially adept than most aspies, and therefore unlikely to be out on the street, anyway.

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11 May 2013, 1:17 pm

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I don't think this scumbag will ever get out of prison.

That said, there doesn't seem to be any far-right parties in Norway at the moment. There have been some small parties on the far-right previously, but since 2009 or so it looks like they've completely vanished from the political scene. There is a tiny Christian right-wing party, but that's all.

The Progress Party, which Breivik was a member of but resigned several years before his massacre as his beliefs became more and more extreme and violent, is centre-right and classical liberal. They're a lot like a Norwegian version of UKIP (but even less socially conservative than UKIP, I'd say) and I'd certainly vote for them if I lived in Norway.

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11 May 2013, 1:19 pm

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you've obviously never seen stormfront or vanguard news network.

Even on places like that, a lot of people don't necessarily support what he did.

As for Stormfront and places like that - they make a lot of noise, but they do sod all in reality. They might be more of a problem in other countries (Hungary for a start!), but not in the UK.

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11 May 2013, 5:03 pm

If I were to worry about the resurgence of Fascism, it wouldn't be in Norway. Rather, it'd be in Greece.

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11 May 2013, 5:50 pm

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If I were to worry about the resurgence of Fascism, it wouldn't be in Norway. Rather, it'd be in Greece.

True. Greece and Hungary. What a disaster.

This week the portuguese finances minister said that the portuguese austerity was beautiful. :evil:

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11 May 2013, 8:20 pm

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If I were to worry about the resurgence of Fascism, it wouldn't be in Norway. Rather, it'd be in Greece.

I don't think that it'll gain a following in any European country. Keep in mind that the euro crisis is only temporary and will come to an end eventually. There are radicals in Norway, but most of them (one famous example is the artist known as Burzum) have distanced themselves from Breivik.

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11 May 2013, 10:57 pm

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Yes but he isnt marketing his politics towards those who would regard him as a murderer.

I think even most fascists would regard him as a murderer because he is one. I know fascists have a tenuous grasp on reality but I doubt even most vile people actually support what he did.

you've obviously never seen stormfront or vanguard news network.

One of those idiots belonging to Vanguard News had set up an explosive in neighboring Spokane, here in Washington state, with the intention of killing people participating in the Martin Luther King Jr. Day march. Luckily, the bomb had been discovered, and this social misfit was captured by the police, and sentenced to a long prison term.

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12 May 2013, 3:01 am

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Rather, it'd be in Greece.

Golden Dawn are in a fairly steady third place in the opinion polls, but they're a long way behind New Democracy or SYRIZA.

In Hungary, Jobbik is in around the same place in the opinion polls as during the last election.

Having said that, things sound very scary in both Hungary and Greece for minorities.

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12 May 2013, 3:04 am

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Keep in mind that the euro crisis is only temporary and will come to an end eventually.

The quickest way out of it would be for Greece to leave the euro.

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There are radicals in Norway, but most of them (one famous example is the artist known as Burzum) have distanced themselves from Breivik.

Do you mean neo-Nazis, racists, totalitarians and other fascists?

You have less of a problem with that on the surface than in most other Western countries. The far-right seem not to exist in your country. They're essentially moribund as a political force here in the UK too, what with the BNP being essentially wiped out.

From what I can tell, you have other problems to be dealing with.

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12 May 2013, 3:05 am

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This week the portuguese finances minister said that the portuguese austerity was beautiful. :evil:

I'm amazed that there isn't a much more popular anti-euro (not necessarily anti-EU, though that would be nice) political movement in countries like yours.

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12 May 2013, 12:47 pm

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Do you mean neo-Nazis, racists, totalitarians and other fascists?

Stalinists and Neo-Nazis, mainly. Allthough the latter became scattered after the largest nazi organization fell.

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From what I can tell, you have other problems to be dealing with.

They're few and far between, since the Scandinavian countries have their own currency.

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12 May 2013, 5:46 pm

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What's the damn point? The man's likely gonna be in prison for the majority of the rest of his natural born life (And if Norwegian prisoners are like American prisoners in their general attitude towards child murderers, may die there). Not like he can run for president or anything. And if the Norwegians really wanted a Fascist party, I think someone would have founded one. Now, having a murderer/terrorist's name attached, not bloody likely anyone's gonna try to make one.

I'm less sure. I honestly think Breivik is smarter than he is given credit for. I think he sees himself as a modern day Hitler and some sort of phoenix rising from the ashes when liberal Norway eventually implodes on itself.

Do not forget, Hitler also did prison time. Those who he is appealing to are not those who be appalled by his actions.

Hitler wasn't mass murder at the time of his imprisonment.

Yes but he isnt marketing his politics towards those who would regard him as a murderer.

So...he is marketing his politics to... nonexistant people?

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13 May 2013, 3:28 am

Breivik is an Attention whore. So the best thing we can do is to simply ignore, everything he does. He has done nothing of positive importance, so he isnt worth a single thought of ours. His thoughts maybe smart? Cant be that smart, when he is too dumb to simply tell people about his thoughts, but instead needs to kill nearly 100 kids, to get people listen to his thoughts. Smart guys are able to tell you about their smart thoughts, by talking about them.

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13 May 2013, 11:02 am

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So...he is marketing his politics to... nonexistant people?

You sure about that?

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13 May 2013, 7:19 pm

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So...he is marketing his politics to... nonexistant people?

You sure about that?

The burden of proof is on you to show that they (and space aliens) exist. Not me to show that they dont. you're claim is that not only do they exist-that they exist in such large numbers that they could vote the guy into office. Fifty one percent of Norwejians would vote for a mass murderer.

Evidence please!

Here in the USA a lunatic recently shot up a local HQ of a local RIght-to-life group because he was pro-choice. And lone individuals of the opposite bent bomb abortion clinics every few years in america. That doesnt mean that the first lunatic is going to be lionized by the Pro Choice half of the population, nor that right-to-lifer half are going to run a clinic bomber for president.

You really need to walk us through your logic that just because a lunatic has the same beliefs as a voter -then a voter will instantly forgive his lunacy and vote for him.

There may be people who would vote for a dangerous fascist with Brevik's beliefs. But those people are not going to vote for Brevik himself. Thats absurd.

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19 May 2013, 7:30 pm

you know i very much doubt that during 1928 Germany more than half the electorate were in favour of specifically gassing 6 million jews.

However they were in favour of a radical solution spurred on by the financial crisis. I am in no doubt that Europe is currently heading for a resurgent financial crisis.

If Anders Brievik ever becomes a political tour de force, it will be because of social conditioning 15 or 20 years down the line, not necessarilly right now.

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