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16 May 2013, 11:50 am

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not the nonsense you Brits allow to occur on your doorstep. Interestingly enough, despite a large and thriving Muslim population, we don't have Muslim child sex rings in the US. Interesting, isn't it?


It's happening all over Northwestern Europe, not just in the UK - as well as other rapes by Muslim men. Problem is that the media and most politicians are doing its best to censor what's going on.

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As far as Christians... well, there's the Church, constantly engaged in an apparently never ending case of child abuse cases, including in the British Isles. Remember the Magdalene laundries? Or the Irish sex scandal?


I'm very aware of that. They were evil, disgusting bastards too. Oh, and you should chuck in some of the other very real and pervasive problems with child abuse in care homes too.



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16 May 2013, 11:51 am

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Ehm... not saying it's false, it's true, still it's also true child abuse in the Church is not religion based...


It is religion based, but the children being abused by priests are not targeted specifically because of their religion - or lack of religion.



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16 May 2013, 12:05 pm

Just because porn and prostitution are illegal in Muslim states, doesn´t mean there is none.

The worst brothels I´ve ever seen where in Malaysia and Indonesia, both Muslim countries. Whereas a Dutch registered hooker has a nice, clean appartment with a bathroom, police protection, free screening for sexually transmitted diseases, social benefit if she decides to quit and look for another job and legal assistance, a hooker in Malaysia lives in total squalor with no protection and social support whatsoever. These girls often get beaten up both by their pimps and their customers. I was totally shocked by the abuse, and I know I´ve only seen the relatively ´mild´ cases. Shudder.



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16 May 2013, 12:20 pm

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The worst brothels I´ve ever seen where in Malaysia and Indonesia, both Muslim countries. Whereas a Dutch registered hooker has a nice, clean appartment with a bathroom, police protection, free screening for sexually transmitted diseases, social benefit if she decides to quit and look for another job and legal assistance, a hooker in Malaysia lives in total squalor with no protection and social support whatsoever. These girls often get beaten up both by their pimps and their customers. I was totally shocked by the abuse, and I know I´ve only seen the relatively ´mild´ cases. Shudder.


I believe Indian and Chinese ones are pretty poor.

As you say though, what goes on in countries where women are treated like that is unbelievably horrific. What awful lives these women must lead.



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16 May 2013, 12:41 pm

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Ehm... not saying it's false, it's true, still it's also true child abuse in the Church is not religion based...


It is religion based, but the children being abused by priests are not targeted specifically because of their religion - or lack of religion.


I've just spent at least one hour considering every possible meaning of the expression "religion based" and how children being abused by priests can be considered religion based... but, sorry... no clue 8O

But if you are hinting to the implications on the religious environment consequent to childre being abused by priests, that's another story and like I said in my previous post about the other matter, a very interesting theme to talk about but not on topic


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16 May 2013, 2:22 pm

Because it makes the woman responsible for the man's feelings. If he sees her and lusts after her, it's her problem and her fault so she must cover up so he doesn't see her. That's the very thing that's wrong. It assigns blame to the woman for the man's feelings. It also assigns responsibility to her for his feelings and actions. That's why the burka is sexist.


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16 May 2013, 3:34 pm

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But if you are hinting to the implications on the religious environment consequent to childre being abused by priests, that's another story and like I said in my previous post about the other matter, a very interesting theme to talk about but not on topic


What I meant was that, in the case of the priests, they're not in sectarian gangs targeting children on a racial/religious basis.
In the case of the priests, vicars and other clergy, they are usually abusing the children (or sometimes adults) that have been placed in their care. Which, in principle, is horrific because of the 'breach of trust' angle.

It's hard for me to elucidate what I meant with the term "religion based" but that makes sense.

Priests, vicars, and possibly some imams and rabbis would be targeting children within their community that they have control over.
These Muslim paedophile rape gangs are victimising young girls that have often suffered a lot of abuse (sometimes from more than one source) already.



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16 May 2013, 3:37 pm

Oh, and it's well worth pointing out that there are at least two cases ongoing:

There are huge investigations underway in both Bradford and Leicester, and many Muslim men have been arrested in connection with a separate child sex ring. In Leicester, these perverts have reputedly been abusing Sikh teenage girls - and probably for much the same reason as they savagely assaulted white children.



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16 May 2013, 3:50 pm

I've heard, but I'm not sure how true this is, that in some Muslim countries clerics issue 'temporary' marriages in exchange for money. So it's basically prostitution.



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16 May 2013, 3:57 pm

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I've heard, but I'm not sure how true this is, that in some Muslim countries clerics issue 'temporary' marriages in exchange for money. So it's basically prostitution.


Temporary marriages are popular in Shia Islam.



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16 May 2013, 4:25 pm

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Remember the Magdalene laundries?


Worth noting that these fascinated me. The Magdalene laundries were also a British phenomenon and not just an Irish one. (The main Magdalen Asylum in London closed in 1966.)



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17 May 2013, 1:42 pm

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The worst brothels I´ve ever seen where in Malaysia and Indonesia, both Muslim countries. Whereas a Dutch registered hooker has a nice, clean appartment with a bathroom, police protection, free screening for sexually transmitted diseases, social benefit if she decides to quit and look for another job and legal assistance, a hooker in Malaysia lives in total squalor with no protection and social support whatsoever. These girls often get beaten up both by their pimps and their customers. I was totally shocked by the abuse, and I know I´ve only seen the relatively ´mild´ cases. Shudder.


I've had this said to me, and it's true about prostitution in the USA.

What's the difference between a prostitute and an "escort?"

Price and choice.

A prostitute sells her/himself for money...often very little...and is a victim of their circumstances (although many voluntarily chose to start down this path).

An escorts knows their body is worth a lot of money...charges accordingly...and they are free to leave the profession whenever they choose to.

The core legal argument against prostitution is the victimization of the prostitute...the same can not be said about escorts.



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18 May 2013, 11:09 pm

I saw this on Facebook:

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Kinda says it all, doesn't it?