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26 May 2013, 6:42 pm

Is Al Gore really Autistic? I've heard that, but has he really been diagnosed and with what type? I am fascinated; we almost had a present day, Autistic president? Can anyone proof he had a diagnosis and fesses-up? Are there any openly Autistic politicians completely out of the closet, at any level, in any country, at ant time? If so, who? and.... when? and... what? and... where?



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26 May 2013, 6:46 pm

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Believe me, there are plenty of autistic people who are against all of those things. Autism is not remotely immunity to bad science.


Thank you, saved me the trouble of saying it.


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26 May 2013, 7:36 pm

You both miss the point completely;

It has nothing to do with unconditional allegiance to Autism, it has to do with the horror's of "Teleological" thinking in politics and what it is leading to. Movement toward a fascist theocracy manned by the few at the cost of the many is ever more likely today because of the blind acceptance of these "Teleo" arguments and their blind or obedient proponents. Ignorance is the enemy and these arguments make ignorance "in vogue".

Aspies simply can not think in a "Teleological" manner as a rule, not an absolute, it is simply not in their neurological make-up. Some may try as a way of being accepted by others, especially in an NT world, but ultimately they will fail either to be accepted or to believe. This is what I was trying to say was my opinion.

Conservatism is no better than Communism, just a slower more painful death.



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26 May 2013, 8:05 pm

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Libertarians are loose cannons in the republican party.


If so, then the Republican Party has become an abomination.

Now we have two abominations to contend with. So-called "conservative" Rebublicans and pinko stinko commie loving collectivist socialist Liberal Democrats. And do not know which is worse: Dick Cheny or Michael Moore.

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26 May 2013, 9:50 pm

http://news-basics.com/2010/liberal-vs-conservative-values/


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26 May 2013, 11:05 pm

^ that one is actually pretty good.


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27 May 2013, 2:21 pm

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You both miss the point completely;

It has nothing to do with unconditional allegiance to Autism, it has to do with the horror's of "Teleological" thinking in politics and what it is leading to. Movement toward a fascist theocracy manned by the few at the cost of the many is ever more likely today because of the blind acceptance of these "Teleo" arguments and their blind or obedient proponents. Ignorance is the enemy and these arguments make ignorance "in vogue".

Aspies simply can not think in a "Teleological" manner as a rule, not an absolute, it is simply not in their neurological make-up. Some may try as a way of being accepted by others, especially in an NT world, but ultimately they will fail either to be accepted or to believe. This is what I was trying to say was my opinion.

Conservatism is no better than Communism, just a slower more painful death.

Try hanging around here (particularly General) for a while, and you will see many autistic people make irrational, illogical, unsubstantiated teleological statements. Common ones are autistic supremacy, autism being caused by all kinds of outlandish things, and autism being a new stage in human evolution, but we also get homosexuality being wrong, all sorts of conspiracy theories (from "the government wants to take our guns so it can impose sharia law and/or repeat the Holocaust" to "science is made up by Big Industry to control our minds", via lizard people, the Illuminati and 9/11), the sanctity of embryos, evolution not being true...

Aspies might be less inclined to think teleologically, but most of us have some capacity for it and many of us engage in it. I know I do.



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27 May 2013, 2:53 pm

normal2357 wrote:
You both miss the point completely;

It has nothing to do with unconditional allegiance to Autism, it has to do with the horror's of "Teleological" thinking in politics and what it is leading to. Movement toward a fascist theocracy manned by the few at the cost of the many is ever more likely today because of the blind acceptance of these "Teleo" arguments and their blind or obedient proponents. Ignorance is the enemy and these arguments make ignorance "in vogue".

Aspies simply can not think in a "Teleological" manner as a rule, not an absolute, it is simply not in their neurological make-up. Some may try as a way of being accepted by others, especially in an NT world, but ultimately they will fail either to be accepted or to believe. This is what I was trying to say was my opinion.

Conservatism is no better than Communism, just a slower more painful death.


I think you need to learn a little more about Autism before making these kinds of pronouncements, there are tons of people on this forum alone that are Autistic and think in that exact manner.


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27 May 2013, 7:21 pm

ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Libertarians are loose cannons in the republican party.


If so, then the Republican Party has become an abomination.

Now we have two abominations to contend with. So-called "conservative" Rebublicans and pinko stinko commie loving collectivist socialist Liberal Democrats. And do not know which is worse: Dick Cheny or Michael Moore.

ruvueyn


Michael Moore doesn't have any political power though, and I sincerely doubt he'd misuse it like Cheney if he did.

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27 May 2013, 9:23 pm

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Michael Moore doesn't have any political power though, and I sincerely doubt he'd misuse it like Cheney if he did.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I have actually talked with Moore. He is slime. He is a totally intellectually dishonest knave. He is base.

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27 May 2013, 9:28 pm

ruveyn wrote:
androbot2084 wrote:
Libertarians are loose cannons in the republican party.
If so, then the Republican Party has become an abomination...

And the Captain Obvious Memorial Award goes to ...

IT's A TWO-WAY TIE!! !

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27 May 2013, 10:38 pm

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normal2357 wrote:
You both miss the point completely;

It has nothing to do with unconditional allegiance to Autism, it has to do with the horror's of "Teleological" thinking in politics and what it is leading to. Movement toward a fascist theocracy manned by the few at the cost of the many is ever more likely today because of the blind acceptance of these "Teleo" arguments and their blind or obedient proponents. Ignorance is the enemy and these arguments make ignorance "in vogue".

Aspies simply can not think in a "Teleological" manner as a rule, not an absolute, it is simply not in their neurological make-up. Some may try as a way of being accepted by others, especially in an NT world, but ultimately they will fail either to be accepted or to believe. This is what I was trying to say was my opinion.

Conservatism is no better than Communism, just a slower more painful death.


I think you need to learn a little more about Autism before making these kinds of pronouncements, there are tons of people on this forum alone that are Autistic and think in that exact manner.


Dox,

Read the second paragraph again, I make it clear the absence of "Teleological" thinking in Aspies is not absolute, therefore some Aspies will think "Teleologically" regardless. I have also in the same paragraph predicted their fate should they continue with this thinking "habit". An again I make it clear it is an opinion not a fact.

For facts concerning "Teleological thinking" in the "Aspie" population see the following article in "Scientific American":
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/obs ... heir-lives



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27 May 2013, 11:01 pm

I blame absurdities espoused by so many Republicans not to be a product of NTs, but rather a fundamental idealogical shift that occurred in the US after World War II. (Though I do appreciate the playful tone normal took in starting the thread.)

During the war, many thinkers that we would now class as Libertarians were shut out, shut down, and ignored, merely because they weren't comfortable with what was going on with the governent and World War II. After the war was over, the "Old Right" (which wasn't even completely Libertarian) slowly started dying. In my opinion, this was caused by pro-intervention sentiment - leading to further abandoning of other Libertarianesque views. Soon there was the rise of hawks on the right, and the US entered into intervention and war across the world. The military fought in Korea and Vietnam, while the CIA manipulated the government into dumping more funds into its quickly-expanding covert operations throughout the world. Things changed in the country's politics, and anti-statists essentially disappeared from the political scene. And soon the situation went even further towards statism with neo-conservatism's rise.

What we're seeing now in the Republican Party are the fruits of this philosophical shift, in my opinion.



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28 May 2013, 12:13 am

For all the shortcomings of the Republican Party, the Democratic Party is an even bigger cesspool.

I don't like either major party.



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28 May 2013, 1:01 am

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

Michael Moore doesn't have any political power though, and I sincerely doubt he'd misuse it like Cheney if he did.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


I have actually talked with Moore. He is slime. He is a totally intellectually dishonest knave. He is base.

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I'll take your word for it that that was your perception of him. But how so?

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28 May 2013, 2:22 am

normal2357 wrote:
Read the second paragraph again, I make it clear the absence of "Teleological" thinking in Aspies is not absolute, therefore some Aspies will think "Teleologically" regardless.


I saw your hedge, and it's still wrong, just look around the forum a bit. There is a slightly different flavor to AS thinking when it comes to politics, but to say that we're less susceptible to ends based thinking because of our condition is patently incorrect. I've talked politics with Aspies and NTs alike over the years, and while the NTs might as a group tend to be more forceful in person simply due to our communications deficiency, there is nothing remotely approaching a universal belief or method in Aspie politics and philosophy. I'll say it again, look through any thread in this forum, and you'll find multiple people making ends based arguments, the evidence is right there for you to see.


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