It's stupid when feminists say that porn is misogynistic

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Whining about porn specifically degrading women is silly since there is literally porn of everything, EVERYTHING. Rule 34 is no joke.

You're joking, right? When was the last time you were called a filthy whore and had something brutally shoved up your ass because you agreed to work at McDonald's?



I'm sure a lot of them do it for the money not because they actually enjoy it.

Rule 34 is all cartoons. It means nothing.

What makes you so sure that the people who do that kind of scene wouldn't enjoy that experience? I've had girls ask me to do worse to them, and they weren't even getting paid for it. I know that some people enjoy being thrashed with a sjambok, which is one of the most painful implements that I know of; not my cup of tea, but who am I to judge?

You're also talking as if the people doing this didn't know what they were getting into, like they signed up for porn and then got something other than what they thought. Trust me, that's not how it works, everyone knows exactly what they're getting into, the contracts are quite specific. You don't do anal and humiliation, you write that into your contract, easy peasy. There was a girl working for years who only did anal, I'm sure that was in her contract too.

Now McDonald's, on the other hand, is far more likely to hit you with sh*t you didn't sign up for without you having any recourse; are you going to tell your manager that you weren't hired as a janitor when he tells you to do that job in addition to the one you were hired for?



Are you an expert on the subject? Have some personal experience in the industry? Any qualifications at all for why your opinion should carry any weight?

Let's say you're right though, the majority of porn actresses are in it for the money; so what? Most people do what they do for the money, that's kinda the nature of work in general. It's great if you can get paid for doing something you love, but for most people, that's not reality; why is that a problem if the business is porn?

Here's a fun little article for you that you might find enlightening, it details an "extreme" shoot and includes interviews with many of the performers.
http://nplusonemag.com/what-do-you-desire
It's definitely NSFW, but you should read it, it will open your eyes a little bit.

I can tell a fake smile from a genuine one. Most female pornstars I've seen don't seem to enjoy the scenes they do. But switch to amateur porn and you often notice a difference.

And just because there is a contract doesn't mean that they know exactly what they're in for. Most women don't know beforehand that they'll end up vomiting because a man gagged her throat with his long rod. I have seen those behind-the-scene shots and it's sometimes quite a nasty experience for them. A lot of those male stars seem to lack empathy for the women and treat them as nothing but stimuli to make them cum all over their bodies for the camera.

For those interested, watch "Chasey Lain Hits Rock Bottom" on YouTube to see a truer side to what porn must be like to female porn stars.

I know a lot of feminists who are against *some* porn (including myself), and very few who are against *all* porn. Part of the reason I'm against *some* porn is because of personal experiences with bad porn sex: ie, some men are convinced that what they see in mainstream porn is what constitutes 'good sex,' and they think that the average woman will enjoy it as much as the porn stars pretend to.

That's the reason I stick to lesbian and bisexual porn. 90% of the time in gay male porn it's okay too, but you do get that brutal 'vomiting on cock' stuff there and I still end up seeing it no matter how hard I try to avoid it. It's almost like the nasty s**t is too easy to stumble upon, and like everyone's supposed to be into it - especially straight people.

Also in amateur and lesbian (or amatuer lesbian) the women do seem to be marginally more into it. Funnily enough, the same is true of guys shagging guys, at least I think so - I mean, you actually get to see the guy's face and his reactions in gay porn.

Bad porn sex with men is part of what makes me somewhat more gay than straight.

That, and people like ArrantPariah existing.

In my opinion there's no point debating this issue with people who like porn, as the very fact that a person likes watching porn indicates a course, insensitive attitude to life in general, hence you are not going to relate to the nuances of the argument or care about what happens to the people involved.

All I would say is that people ought to watch the film 'Requiem for a Dream', which depicts the often brutal reality for people involved in the porn and sex industries. If you can watch the last scene of that film and not feel sickened then there's no hope for you in my opinion as it's designed to be shocking and I would put money on all the porn-watchers not batting an eyelid at it as their sensibilities will have been hardened.

Especially since most people who regularly view that crap completely deny the fact that they watch it in the first place IRL, but then casually defend/debate the issue with their alternate internet-personality.

I'm more interested in statistics and data than I am in a particular film. Yes, I'm sure that whoever wrote the script for that film intended it to shock but that does not mean anything with regards to the truth.

Why is that a problem? The internet allows anonymity, which means that people are more free to discuss things they might not otherwise discuss.


That's kind of insulting and not true. Did you read what I wrote? I talked about watching porn and then went on to describe what I didn't like about it.

Erm, do you actually know any people?

I don't like porn. I find full-frontal nudity repulsive, I find the thought (let alone sight) of people touching each other's genitals repulsive. However, I know many good, caring, sensitive people who do like porn, and I'm fine with that. Liking porn doesn't make you a monster.

Referring to a movie as a way to illustrate the "brutal reality" of something is rather ironic don't you think? Maybe I should refer to the People vs Larry Flynt as my argument lol. I've seen Requiem for a Dream, it's a good movie but I'm not sure you got the point of the movie if what you what you got out of it was that pornography is bad which isn't even depicted as far as I remember. Drug addiction is a terrible thing for those trapped in it and it can present itself in an almost an infinite amount of ways. Likewise, porn is as varied of form of human expression and art form as anything else, do you decry all music because there is music you don't like? Movies because some offend you? Perhaps you would be at home in Saudi Arabia.

Yes it does actually as the film is based on a book of the same name by Hubert Selby Junior, who had direct experience of what he wrote about

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Selby,_Jr.

"With no formal training, Selby used a raw language to portray the bleak and violent world that was part of his youth."