MASSIVE rallies against the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

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Repressed males with in a "grabby" culture. Not that it doesn't happen elsewhere but several countries in the Arab world have a reputation for grabby men. I found it shocking myself. Add that to the common regional view that western women are basically whores because of their sexual availability outside of marriage.

I'm kind of divided on the idea of a coup. Morsi has overreached in some ways but he's also duly elected. It's difficult to sell the virtue of democracy when you won't let certain people serve out their terms. It reminds me of Algeria, where the Islamists won the election and were immediately denied power, sparking a civil war.

You serve democracy by doing away with the state and letting everyone participate in decision making, not by letting another puppet take power. Hopefully more people will realize the failure of representative "democracy" and not waste more revolutions.

I'm still hoping that mushrooms will sprout all over the Middle East ...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XusOMwhUmSY[/youtube]
On a lighter note: on the face of it, this first guy bucks the trend. Good for him. He is showing initiative and courage and is speaking his mind and wants to break with the past. The Arabs need that.

The second man is an oaf who needs a pint of Dancing Camel and a proper shave. "Israelites"! O Allah, you certainly have some beauts in that part of the world.

Am I right in saying that Morsi won the election, he has not deviated massively from their election promises and the result of the election is in little doubt? And the prospect of fair elections at the agreed time are good?

If so, shouldn't his opponents accept that Morsi has democratic support? Oppose his policies, sure, I bet a lot of them are unacceptable, but calling for him to go doesn't seem very democratic. Either accept that your country is a democracy and that means you can get a candidate you don't want, or stop pretending you want to be a democracy!

(I would rather have someone like Khaled Ali or Hisham Bastawisty running the country without democratic support than have a democratically elected Morsi or Shafik, though of course that is impossible because those people would be opposed to running the country by force and eventually they'd become as bad as Mubarak)

You don't understand. It seems as though a lot of people that voted for him are embarassed that they did.

They voted for more Islam. Now that is what they have, they don't want it.

They voted for no tourism.
They voted for creeping Sharia.
They voted for blaming every-fecking-thing on the Joos.

Well, let them stew in it. The Egyptians have ethnically cleansed the apes from their country, now it is time for the pigs.

In the UK if an elected government is not considered to be performing very well it is possible for opposition members of the house of parliament to hold a vote of no confidence in the government. If such a vote is lost the government is obliged to quit their term and call for a general election. Maybe there is no similar provision in Egyptian parliamentary law and the demonstrations are effectively the population in general stating "no confidence" in the governments ongoing policies. If the overwhelming majority of the people want the government out, they should go.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspec ... there.html

Oh oh...he's scared.

The Islamist party in Tunisia won by 40%, they're not really the majority but the largest consolidated minority, they have no choice but to rule very carefully.

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http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3 ... _s_failure

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3 ... _elections

I like The Commentator a lot. Sane people on there.

No, I think a lot have voted him believing he's the next Erdoğan and would run the country without attempting to change Egypt's identity,but helas, they were wrong about him.

Even Erdoğan was lately attempting to change Turkey's identity, the moderate Muslims are learning to not trust Islamists again hence they proved of always having ulterior motifs.

Ok, rapists are animals, I agree with you on that, but it's a world wide problem and not an Arab-specific thing like you're trying to portray it, rapes happen a lot in the Hindus-majority India and other parts of south and east Asia, it is not only exclusive to Muslim cultures.

And what about the party-highschool gang rapes that happen a lot in the America? Should I remind you about the Steubenville rape case where teens gang raped a girl and mocked her on the internet too, yet the guy who exposed them got jailed more than the rapists? Or the common rape cases in the US army, not to forget the iraqi girl gang rape case? What about the Vatican?

So phleeease, rape is everyone's problem.

They voted for that Islamic monkey thinking that he would bring a more Muslim Turkey. That's what they wanted - a Muslim Turkey. He's bringing them a Muslim Turkey. He is trying to implement a Muslim Turkey. That means that Catholic priests can be killed.

Frankly, I would be happy if the Alevis ran Turkey, but I know that they are a disparate group that nobody cares about and the Sunnis hate.



I'm glad you mention Steubenville, actually, because most people that have seen these kind of gang rapes think these people are barbarians. We do not get Christian clerics come on our TV trying to justify these rapes and say that this is OK. Even the rape apologist trolls on the Internet are mostly scorned, and rightly so.

It's a bit like Jew-hatred - in the West, it is mostly scorned (apart from the left and the barbaric Islamist scum we have imported into our country - but even these people cover it) but you go to Eastern Europe and the Arab world, and it's a national sport. Mostly, Boo, it's about openness and the scale of such things.

Rape happens everywhere, and most assuredly it happens in the UK, the U.S. and in European countries. And in Australia, too. The difference is that in Arab and other repressive political cultures - not only Muslim ones - this is an object of shame. It is only in Islamic cultures where this seems to be enshrined in religion.

Misogyny is a problem in the West also. I have been on Internet porn forums where the hatred towards women - even as someone who occasionally has sympathies with MRAs - makes me almost physically ill. I can't believe I am reading some of the stuff on these places sometimes. I fully agree that we need to counter this type of stuff. Misandry is a separate issue, though that also needs to be tackled.

I would like to address the Indian rapes in particular though. And, yes, you're right - on the face of it, I haven't paid as much attention to it as I should have. I absolutely agree with you on that. I did know that Indian culture has a problem with women and I am not quite sure why. I don't think this is a religious impediment, though I'm happy to be corrected on that. We have not seen Hindu rape gangs here in the UK. I actually wonder whether it is a socially conservative culture where misogyny plays a large factor as regards relationships with men.

They are backward, and disgusting, and savage, and inhuman. How they treat their women is often sick-making. It has no place in society. None. I want to know the root of this disease.

They do have a huge problem with incest there (what is it with these guys and their aunts/cousins - they have 1.21 billion people living there, and they have to have sex with relatives. Personally, I think this deserves serious laughter, as much as any of the restrictive practices that cause this moral retardation in Arab countries.

It took the British from the time of Magna Carta (circa 1215) to the middle of the 19 th century to finally nail the notion of a society that recognizes individual rights and can with some limitations be democratically ruled and operated. What is that, about 650 years? And this during a time of secularization, enlightenment and scientific progress in Europe.

How can we expect Muslims who by virtue of the religion would not know a right if it bit them in the arse to organized a nation that recognizes rights, is civilized, controls extreme violence and is a sane place to live. Even the United States which had an enlightened founding had slavery for 80 years after the Constitution was formulated and a civil war that killed 4 percent of its population. If Britain could barely do it in 650 years, and the U.S. could not do it without a civil war (the bloodiest in its history) how can we possibly expect Muslims who have not the slightest notion of individual rights to mange the task?

ruveyn

This is highly offensive and inaccurate to boots, what stats you are referring to? Rape is a very spread in African tribe wars too, in the US the rape rate is very high too:

http://toungtwisted.files.wordpress.com ... top-10.png

I know most rape cases go unreported but you can clearly see it's very common in US, a "national sport" like you called it.




What stats you're referring to again?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

^ in the table you can see a lot of non-muslim countries with very high rape rates.



Because your media would call them Arabs lololol.





I guess you are referring to the war captives verse, well...all religions suck but I don't think Islam is the only religion that enshrine rape, the bible does take rape ridiculously lightly too, the rapist just pays some silver coins to father and that's it LOL, even theft isn't taken that lightly. In Saudi Arabia, where they apply Sharia, they punish the rapists with execution but the victims are often punished with lashes too (and social execution).

I don't know about the Hindus religion but I've came across Indian members on WP describing her family/marriage life and gender roles n her country, If she didn't say she was Indian I would have thought she was talking about some Arab country, despite religious difference, Indian and Middle Eastern/Arab cultures are extremely similar when it comes to family relations.

That what I've always said, progress won't come in an overnight.

But opposing Islamism at this scale is a step forward.

The change is already happening, and it wouldn't have started to happen without the waves of the Arab spring.