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11 Jul 2013, 11:44 am

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I think the Wild Turkey was a better mascot idea than the Bald Eagle.

Turkey is good roasted but the eagle can swoop down and scratch someones eyes out.

Ben Franklin had this to say about them

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For my own part I wish the Bald Eagle had not been chosen the Representative of our Country. He is a Bird of bad moral Character. He does not get his Living honestly. You may have seen him perched on some dead Tree near the River, where, too lazy to fish for himself, he watches the Labour of the Fishing Hawk; and when that diligent Bird has at length taken a Fish, and is bearing it to his Nest for the Support of his Mate and young Ones, the Bald Eagle pursues him and takes it from him.

"With all this Injustice, he is never in good Case but like those among Men who live by Sharping & Robbing he is generally poor and often very lousy. Besides he is a rank Coward: The little King Bird not bigger than a Sparrow attacks him boldly and drives him out of the District. He is therefore by no means a proper Emblem for the brave and honest Cincinnati of America who have driven all the King birds from our Country...

"I am on this account not displeased that the Figure is not known as a Bald Eagle, but looks more like a Turkey. For the Truth the Turkey is in Comparison a much more respectable Bird, and withal a true original Native of America... He is besides, though a little vain & silly, a Bird of Courage, and would not hesitate to attack a Grenadier of the British Guards who should presume to invade his Farm Yard with a red Coat on.

The U.S. government is well represented by the Bald Eagle even as Franklin indicated.

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11 Jul 2013, 11:58 am

I am not sure who first said these, but I have heard them both quite a few times:
"Eagles may soar above the clouds, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines."
"It is easy to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys."

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11 Jul 2013, 1:06 pm

There is nothing wrong with being proud of the nation in which you live. If you really didn't like it, you'd want to move elsewhere.

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11 Jul 2013, 1:13 pm

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There is nothing wrong with being proud of the nation in which you live. If you really didn't like it, you'd want to move elsewhere.

Theres a big problem when that pride turns into xenophobia and/or racism.

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11 Jul 2013, 1:14 pm

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Theres a big problem when that pride turns into xenophobia and/or racism.

Which seems to mean pretty much all nationalism according to people like you.

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11 Jul 2013, 1:27 pm

Tequila wrote:

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Theres a big problem when that pride turns into xenophobia and/or racism.

Which seems to mean pretty much all nationalism according to people like you.

Willful ignorance on your part, you should understand fine well what I mean.

I'm referring specifically to disgraceful incidences like this which took place in Belfast recently.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLdQ9-nNeO4[/youtube]

I will concede that nationalism can serve a certain utility up until the point that it enforces chauvinism by a dominant group.

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11 Jul 2013, 1:27 pm

Tequila wrote:

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Theres a big problem when that pride turns into xenophobia and/or racism.

Which seems to mean pretty much all nationalism according to people like you.

Yes, I would imagine he defines xenophobia and racism very liberally.

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11 Jul 2013, 1:29 pm

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thomas81 wrote:

Theres a big problem when that pride turns into xenophobia and/or racism.

Which seems to mean pretty much all nationalism according to people like you.

Yes, I would imagine he defines xenophobia and racism very liberally.

I would imagine that you pretend neither exist.

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11 Jul 2013, 1:34 pm

thomas81 wrote:

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thomas81 wrote:

Theres a big problem when that pride turns into xenophobia and/or racism.

Which seems to mean pretty much all nationalism according to people like you.

Yes, I would imagine he defines xenophobia and racism very liberally.

I would imagine that you pretend neither exist.

I know both exist but I keep them in perspective and don't make a point to make mountains out of mole hills.

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11 Jul 2013, 1:54 pm

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I'm referring specifically to disgraceful incidences like this which took place in Belfast recently.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLdQ9-nNeO4[/youtube]

Bigoted shitcakery by bigoted moronic shitcakes, although I'm not really shocked or surprised by this at all (it's normal behaviour amongst some in NI). And I'm against EU immigration.

You aren't going to complain when Republicans hoik the Union Jack on Internment bonfires now are you? Nah, thought not.

I'd have thought you'd have been more worried about loyalists burning the flag of a country that doesn't exist - 'Palestine' - and that never will exist while they behave as they do.

I don't believe that burning any flag should be illegal if it's your own property and you aren't causing (or risking) environmental damage by doing so.

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11 Jul 2013, 2:40 pm

Am I the only one who's confused by a poster who's avatar is a highlighted Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Cornwall, and Brittany, and is complaining about nationalism?

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11 Jul 2013, 2:45 pm

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My conclusion of nationalism is that it stems from a primordial and subconcious desire to belong to a group and the fear of rejection. These tend to be neurotypical traits.

Why do some autistics fall into this line of thinking? Is it learned behaviour?

identifying with something larger than one's self is a common -human- characteristic.

It has happened in all times and all places.

That is way we have churches, nations, armies and wars and soccer games

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11 Jul 2013, 2:59 pm

I do find the racist and sexist tendencies of many WP.net posters disturbing to say the least. I don't know if this says anything about autistic people relative to non-autistics though. It could be that the racism and sexism I see on these forums reflects society in general rather than anything peculiar to autistics.

Though now that I think of it, if you live in your own little world, you probably don't get much exposure to many different types of people.

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11 Jul 2013, 3:19 pm

Tequila wrote:

surprised by this at all (it's normal behaviour amongst some in NI). And I'm against EU immigration.

That excuses it does it?

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You aren't going to complain when Republicans hoik the Union Jack on Internment bonfires now are you? Nah, thought not.

Oh you can do better than that.

This is a wholly different context. This represents craven bullying against a minority section of the community. One for that matter which genuinely wants to make a positive difference.

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I'd have thought you'd have been more worried about loyalists burning the flag of a country that doesn't exist - 'Palestine' - and that never will exist while they behave as they do.

I have yet to see that.

Frankly i am still in fits of giggles at the hideous 'Israster' banner I have seen adorning lamposts in loyalist areas.

besides which the loyalist intellectual contribution to the middle east debate is equal to precisely zero. Its a case of "If the taigs are for it, we're against it".

As for the question of Palestines existance or non existance, their last application for UN membership was supported by 194 nations. The majority of ones which opposed it were allied to Israel.

What more do you want?

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I don't believe that burning any flag should be illegal if it's your own property and you aren't causing (or risking) environmental damage by doing so.

Its different when it is encouraging hate crime against a minority group.

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11 Jul 2013, 3:27 pm

For those of us without a working knowledge of Northern Ireland's symbols, what is the context of that flag? Google results are leading me to two different explanations of what exactly it's supposed to mean.

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11 Jul 2013, 3:44 pm

AgentPalpatine wrote:

Look up the Ulster Banner.

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