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Geekonychus
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05 Aug 2013, 12:07 pm

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if feminism truly believes this I dont want any part of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tQSOlF9ZZM .


"Feminist" is just a vague label. Knowing that someone calls themselves a "feminist" doesn't necessarily tell you what they believe.



Then why do MRAs and MGTOWs supposedly march in lock step?


Because "Men's Rights Activists" aren't a broad movement that originated in the 19th century and has split off into various intellectual currents or synthesized in various eclectic ways. MRAs can mostly be traced back to backlash and resentiment against feminists, stemming from the 1970s.
And most of thier official platforms aren't actually built around creating an actual egalitarian society (like the feminist movement tends to be.) Rather it's reactionary in attempting to roll back the progress of the feminist movement and push for more "traditional" gender roles.

If MRAs really wanted equality they would be pushing for more stay at home dads, male nurses, etc and push for the acceptance of men in other traditionally female roles (as most feminists platforms tend to do.) This would help solve any percieved inequalities that men have compared to women.



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05 Aug 2013, 12:25 pm

She was a failed writer/artist with a mental disorder.



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05 Aug 2013, 12:34 pm

Supposedly, a large majority of the millennial feminists are embracing domesticity as a political statement anyway. They're eschewing consumerism by staying home, growing vegetable gardens, and blogging about it.


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05 Aug 2013, 1:43 pm

"All"?



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05 Aug 2013, 1:47 pm

albedo wrote:
She was a failed writer/artist with a mental disorder.


And, she found a clever way to sell books.



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05 Aug 2013, 1:48 pm

Geekonychus wrote:
Master_Pedant wrote:
ArrantPariah wrote:
Declension wrote:
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if feminism truly believes this I dont want any part of it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tQSOlF9ZZM .


"Feminist" is just a vague label. Knowing that someone calls themselves a "feminist" doesn't necessarily tell you what they believe.



Then why do MRAs and MGTOWs supposedly march in lock step?


Because "Men's Rights Activists" aren't a broad movement that originated in the 19th century and has split off into various intellectual currents or synthesized in various eclectic ways. MRAs can mostly be traced back to backlash and resentiment against feminists, stemming from the 1970s.
And most of thier official platforms aren't actually built around creating an actual egalitarian society (like the feminist movement tends to be.) Rather it's reactionary in attempting to roll back the progress of the feminist movement and push for more "traditional" gender roles.

If MRAs really wanted equality they would be pushing for more stay at home dads, male nurses, etc and push for the acceptance of men in other traditionally female roles (as most feminists platforms tend to do.) This would help solve any percieved inequalities that men have compared to women.
contrast the MRA's and MGTOW's with groups like Male Survivor,which works to build awareness of male rape and sexual abuse. The former are mostly about trashing women, particularly feminists, and the latter is about helping men.



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05 Aug 2013, 1:50 pm

ArrantPariah wrote:
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She was a failed writer/artist with a mental disorder.


And, she found a clever way to sell books.


Well if by 'sell' you mean get some notoriety. But she wasn't able to make anything out of it and died in obscurity.



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05 Aug 2013, 5:41 pm

Does LKL wish to join SCUM?


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05 Aug 2013, 6:21 pm

:roll:
Of course not. I like a lot of men; the colleagues with whom I am closest are men, and I have a brother, dojo mates, and two fathers whom I all love. However, there are a lot of very vocal men (especially in religion and politics) who make a point of trying to limit what I can do with my body, my career, and my love life. The latter ones are the ones I'm bashing, not all men in general. I guess I should specify that more often.



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05 Aug 2013, 6:49 pm

LKL wrote:
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Of course not. I like a lot of men; the colleagues with whom I am closest are men, and I have a brother, dojo mates, and two fathers whom I all love. However, there are a lot of very vocal men (especially in religion and politics) who make a point of trying to limit what I can do with my body, my career, and my love life. The latter ones are the ones I'm bashing, not all men in general. I guess I should specify that more often.
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05 Aug 2013, 9:35 pm

:D



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07 Aug 2013, 1:01 pm

SCUM is just a mirror reflection of historical antipathy toward women. I think the early Christian Church had debates on whether women could even get into heaven, and if so were they "rewarded" with male bodies if they were truly good. I think even some modern religions, like the Skyclad sect of Jains believe something similar.
Solanas should be pitied, she was probably molested as a child, and was definatey mentally ill.



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07 Aug 2013, 2:02 pm

The SCUM Manifesto was written by a misandrist paranoid schizophrenic. As such, it can be completely discredited.



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08 Aug 2013, 9:58 am

LKL wrote:
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:D [youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aemIa98xOlk[/youtube]


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09 Aug 2013, 11:34 am

Saying these types represent mainstream feminism is like saying the Westoboro Baptist church represents mainstream religious conservatism. It's a strawman argument and a distraction from real discussions.



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11 Aug 2013, 6:04 pm

Geekonychus wrote:
Saying these types represent mainstream feminism is like saying the Westoboro Baptist church represents mainstream religious conservatism. It's a strawman argument and a distraction from real discussions.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRp_dUo5K1c[/youtube]


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