The US Government Shut-Down - Whom to Blame

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Umm, if you're going to deport them TO TEXAS, yes, you do...

I blame the greedy insurance companies who f***ed up Obamacare to begin with. They're bigger a**holes than most of the politicians in office. They only care about money and don't give a s*** about anyone. Some other related industries also suck, like the company that sold my grandma this hearing aid volume-control remote. It costed $200, and they sealed the remote together so that the battery can never be changed, without breaking the remote open. They just want people to buy another $200 remote when the battery dies. That is completely unacceptable, and customers, who bought them, should be insulted by the company's dishonor and apathy towards them. The insurance companies are the same way, except they don't actually sell a product.

Last edited by Mike1 on 01 Oct 2013, 8:09 am, edited 1 time in total.

I was thinking of a place more like Syria or Somalia.

I've long said that we should kick New York, Illinois, and California out of the union.

ObamaCare was a disaster from its inception. The insurance companies didn't mess it up -- it was already messed up.

But you are right that the insurance companies are only looking out for their profits. All companies do that, but insurance companies tend to do go well into what I think of as fraud.

To quote a former supervisor (and one of the few supervisors I worked with that knew how do deal with people): "The only thing in Texas are steers and queers!"

This isn't about Obamacare, or refighting the 2012 election. No reasonable analysis could ever point you to that conclusion. Sure, these are the motives that people ascribe to the Tea Party, but that's not the war they are waging.

The war they are waging is with the GOP establishment. There is a civil war underway for the control of the Republican Party, and it will reach its zenith next spring, as the primaries for the mid term elections take place. The Tea Party believe that a no-compromise attitude will win them a majority of nominations for Republican candidacies.

It seems to me the blame primarily lies with the GOP establishment, who are prepared to let the government shut down, and the paint the Tea Party as responsible. They will hold out until the polling data starts to show a strong trend of disapproval from Republicans, and then they will pull out the budget that they know they can pass with the Democrats.

I predict a long shutdown. I think we will need to see real disruption in the daily lives of Republican voters before the polling will start to show solid splits.

I definitely agree with this. I was hopeful, but listening to some of the soundbites coming from the hill, it might be a long, dirty fight, and the longer it goes on, the uglier all sides are going to get.

I would also agree that the shutdown has little to do with the ACA. A lot of the Tea Party candidates got elected by using a "scorched earth" message. The Tea Party is in the middle of some heavy political posturing to show how "serious" they are to their electorates. The sad thing is that most of the Tea Party D-bags are going to be able to use this situation to their advantage in their campaign runs: "Look how far we are willing to go to stand up to big government." The Republican Party as a whole is probably going to get royally ousted in the 2014 and 2016 elections unless the Dems do something immensly stupid (which is still a distinct possibility). But I think the Tea Party will do just fine.

More like, "Look how far we are willing to go to be vindictive over the fact that Mitt Romney lost the election", in my opinion.

I often wonder who is the more delusional -- Democrats/Progressives or Republicans/Conservatives.

One thing is for sure -- neither of the two main sides are at all rational.

Democrats/Progressives <--- The rest ... ... of us! ---> Republicans/Conservatives.

We need French-style revolution. Blood in the streets, guillotines working into the night, DC and state capitals burned to the ground, the rich, powerful, and connected eliminated by force. Once that's done, we need to not have any govt at all. We need anarchy. Every man his own law, his own god. (Did I mention that we need to eliminate religion too?) Usually revolutions just transfer power. We need to eliminate all those with power, the potential or desire to hold it. Freedom and anarchy forever!

Agreed

Both sides are unrational. One side is probably more unrational then the other. Not worth my time and energy to go down that road. I know I despise them both for different reasons. I hate that the tea party is "libertarian" on economic issues only. A lot of them (not all) love cooperate welfare and and have no problem with government intrusion in peoples sexual and religious (or atheist) lives. Part of them is a hate group. The Progressives start with the notion that everybody who disagrees with them is stupid and probably racist. They qualify as a hate group.

All of this just makes me both very angry and very sad.

Biggest problem I have seen is that the US put a relatively intelligent black man in the White House. That's enough for me to prove that racism, of any kind, is still rampant in America, if not the world.

that and the fact that the bulk of the working class voting public seems to hate itself, by dint of how often they vote directly against their own best self-interest.