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05 Oct 2013, 9:57 pm

Feralucce wrote:
Except that a true satanist (Member of the First Satanic Church) would make no mention to lucifer


There are theistic and atheistic ones though .



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05 Oct 2013, 10:12 pm

An atheist satanist would not be citing or worshiping any form of higher power... as they do not believe in a higher power...


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05 Oct 2013, 11:19 pm

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An atheist satanist would not be citing or worshiping any form of higher power... as they do not believe in a higher power...


True. If this person is, he or she may be non-levyan, or perhaps merely luciferian, which has to do more with symolism, although this behavior seems to be associated with non-levyan satanism. Just an intelligent guess.



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05 Oct 2013, 11:51 pm

This whole thread sounds like an Ad for "Drugs are bad."



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06 Oct 2013, 2:13 am

Hmmm...Interesting..and thanks for the feedback on the actual question...

I do not believe in good or evil..only action..consequence..and resulting energy that may be either positive or negative in human observed effect...

Some People refer to the positive as light and some refer to the negative as dark...

I do not believe in an actual being named Lucifer or an actual being named Satan...

My opinion is that relatively and metaphorically speaking luciFER is an angel of light and as well as mythologically Satan is a metaphor for the dark side of human nature that most people are effected by at least once in their lifetime..as no one seems to be perfecKT...

If one wills...


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06 Oct 2013, 2:33 am

Personally, I think Lucifer is the embodiment of what it means to be human. A fallen angel. Angels are depicted as perfect beings, and Lucifer acted imperfectly, causing him to be shunned.

Now, I don't believe in actual angels, demons, or the devil, so this is just a metaphor. I wouldn't say it's a good idea to follow Satanism, as it's the polar opposite of Christianity and I am a big proponent of balance. Being on either end of the extreme is not healthy. Denying or shunning half of who we are or 'giving' ourselves over to a force we cannot even prove exists seems rather detrimental to me, whether it be a god/goddess or a devil.

In answer to the original question... sure. Totally okay but if you want to remain mentally as healthy as possible... probably not the best idea.


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06 Oct 2013, 2:40 am

thewhitrbbit wrote:
This whole thread sounds like an Ad for "Drugs are bad."


Interesting observation...but I see no reason at all why someone should not love a lover of light and musicK..no matter what the mistakes are as reported in their past...

So given this IT IS TOTally

Kool..to luve Lucifer...

But actually a moot point..

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or even i..if you will...


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06 Oct 2013, 2:43 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:
Personally, I think Lucifer is the embodiment of what it means to be human. A fallen angel. Angels are depicted as perfect beings, and Lucifer acted imperfectly, causing him to be shunned.

Now, I don't believe in actual angels, demons, or the devil, so this is just a metaphor. I wouldn't say it's a good idea to follow Satanism, as it's the polar opposite of Christianity and I am a big proponent of balance. Being on either end of the extreme is not healthy. Denying or shunning half of who we are or 'giving' ourselves over to a force we cannot even prove exists seems rather detrimental to me, whether it be a god/goddess or a devil.

In answer to the original question... sure. Totally okay but if you want to remain mentally as healthy as possible... probably not the best idea.


Wow!..every word you speak here reflects my personal true Will opinion..on the question of 'Lucifer' in general..thanks for sharing your opinion...:)


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06 Oct 2013, 2:50 am

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Yes, you did... and followed it up with a LOT of confusing stuff...


I cannot see anything confusing @all about It and many other people with similar educational knowledge have no problem understanding it @all...

Sorrry! that it confused you..but it is only an opportunity to share 'knowledge' ..if you will...

And yes.

The metaphorical kind..if you will...
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06 Oct 2013, 2:53 am

However... If that is the case, then you are stuck in a conundrum... The will of the masses supercedes the will of the individual in an effect referred to in mysticism as "Consensual Reality." The simplest way to explain this is ... if I can convince a majority of the planet that unicorns exist in kansas... then there will be unicorns in kansas... This theory states that magic used to be a real thing, but as the age of reason came to be and science became the believed form of reality, it fell into the annals of history...

IF this is the way the universe functions, your will has to overcome the will of the masses to make any changes beyond that of the self...


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06 Oct 2013, 2:53 am

thewhitrbbit wrote:
This whole thread sounds like an Ad for "Drugs are bad."


Interesting observation..I agree that it does remind me of that too..but I hold no personal judgement against anyone for worshipping whatever they want to worship...

This is a large part of what makes America Great...as I mentioned before in the preview of the complete post...


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06 Oct 2013, 3:01 am

Feralucce wrote:
However... If that is the case, then you are stuck in a conundrum... The will of the masses supercedes the will of the individual in an effect referred to in mysticism as "Consensual Reality." The simplest way to explain this is ... if I can convince a majority of the planet that unicorns exist in kansas... then there will be unicorns in kansas... This theory states that magic used to be a real thing, but as the age of reason came to be and science became the believed form of reality, it fell into the annals of history...

IF this is the way the universe functions, your will has to overcome the will of the masses to make any changes beyond that of the self...


Believing the world was flat didn't make it so.


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06 Oct 2013, 3:02 am

Feralucce wrote:
However... If that is the case, then you are stuck in a conundrum... The will of the masses supercedes the will of the individual in an effect referred to in mysticism as "Consensual Reality." The simplest way to explain this is ... if I can convince a majority of the planet that unicorns exist in kansas... then there will be unicorns in kansas... This theory states that magic used to be a real thing, but as the age of reason came to be and science became the believed form of reality, it fell into the annals of history...

IF this is the way the universe functions, your will has to overcome the will of the masses to make any changes beyond that of the self...


I disagree...

Even one word from another individual can provide healing power..It is dependent on the observer and 'whatever' the source of the energy may be that is the healer...

However..this lies within the realm of complex human emotion..and without that..a person will likely never understand what I am indicating here...

As no two people share the exact same perceptions of life..as currently understood by science...

So in effect every person experiences...

A different Universe as the observer who influences the reality that IS...

By creating an illusion of their own reality...if one wills...

And there is every opportunity for every connection in life..to influence another connection in life to change the course of each person's construct of human reality..varying from individual to invidiual..with the emotional connections being what bonds people together..and creates real change in the world..the human kind..if one wills..step by step...on a 'golden spiral journey'...


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06 Oct 2013, 3:38 am

Completely off topic. Is there a reason you type in the way you do, e.g. CAPitaLs. This is not a criticism nor a complaint, just interested.

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06 Oct 2013, 4:18 am

To the OP - I find that any value you may have in your posts, personally, I lose because of the actual length of them - the format on the page.

In the brief snatches of sense I have got from your postings, you have talked of cages and freeing people from their cages. I think that is admirable.

However, two things:

1 The door to everyone's cage is always open, but if they furnish it with an illusory widescreen tv, and their own wallpaper, you've got to have a little sympathy if they're not ready to leave their perceptual prison just yet.
2 Everything will go where it's supposed to go. Time and the world we create is not an alternative, it's just a delay. No matter what anybody does, we're on course. I suppose that's the happiest news of all.

Everything which moves us towards reuninon with God and promotes true union is cutting down on this delay. And the opposite of this, increasing the delay, could be said to be the opposite of God. Thus, the world could be used as a hell and a denial of God, or a tool to actually get closer to the inevitable.

But whatever way you peg it, a perceptual dream can be no more than that.



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06 Oct 2013, 6:28 am

Satan's a liar, plain and simple. He knows he can;t beat God, so he tries to take as many people away from God as possible. He's already been defeated for eternity; humans are nothing but selfish trophies to him.


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