Child abuse or proper Christian teaching?

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That is how it was for me when I was younger and had no control over my decisions.

So I was sent to attend church for a rather long period of time because they did not know how or want to deal with me then. It did no good for me, and I actually disliked myself more because of it. I disliked other people too, some of them were people I'd have no problems with before the incident.

I'm not sure that all of those kids realize that their parents failed them. I'm sure some do. I think many of them believe that they are bad though and that's the reason they are at Jesus classes in the first place, hence the crying after being told they are pretty much bad people, who need to be cleaned of their awful sins. If you put that kind of pressure on a kid, yeah, it probably won't be pretty.

And in my experience, yes. A lot of christian based lessons that I was forced to hear were based on suffering due to other people's choices and me just happening to be slightly involved at least. Like if I listen to non christian country music, that is a sin, and the punishment is hell.

Sounds like mental and emotional torment now that I think of it. So you could say it is child abuse and I wouldn't disagree at this very moment.

[X] Proper Christian teaching
[X] Child abuse
[X] All of the above

What you suffered was horrible, and God hates it even more than you do. That's why its so important to look at Jesus Himself for the standard, not any outsiders' opinion of Him. Those who assault and terrorize people for refusing to follow Christ are not following His example; Jesus offered them the whole truth, nothing more or less, and waited for their free response.

No Christian except Jesus has never sinned, but there's a difference between trying and failing, and ignoring.



I was making a point about "Sunday Christians" in general.

Precisely.

When did Nestle start bottling Holy Water?
I bet its just tap water.



Now my Stepfather was an Atheist anti-Christian like you guys, when I was 5, he used to give me sixpence to go all the way to the hardware store to buy a stick with so he could beat me with it.
He liked to try and teach me French and would smash me around the side of the head because I couldn't pronounce the words properly, in the end I would just shut-down and become his punch bag.

Though he often called me a girls name, even though Iam a boy, he sometimes used to address me as Cu*t
When he heard me using a lessor swear word however, he kicked me in the stomach.
Once he strangled me so I had purple marks around my neck for 10 days.
At the dinner table he would get me to stand up so he could mock my physical deficiencies.
Once he hit me with a piece of wood that had nails sticking out of it.

I guess this is how Atheists are with young children?, all before I was 10.

How glad I was at 5 when he put me in a Church of England Children's Society home for a few years where I had respite from abuse at the hands of Christians who never once even smacked me, never shouted at me, never once even made me cry.

I did have to go to Church on the Sunday though which really was quite boring.

That video shows the insanity of fundamentalist christians. It could apply to fundamentalists of other religions as well but it definitely apples here.

The Bible says people like him should be stoned to death.

And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16


If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.
Deuteronomy 17

I find belief in a supernatural world somewhat perplexing, but what the heck as long as these beliefs are not hurting anyone...... When it comes to fundamentalist religion of all persuasions I am far from indifferent about it. The practice of scaring young minds into believing they are going to hell unless they follow the creed, is child abuse pure and simple. The act of brainwashing kids into believing that the earth is around 5000 years old, and that the scientific method has either completely and utterly failed in regards to evolution, or there is a massive global conspiracy to hide the true facts of creation, is also child abuse. Convincing homosexual kids that they are an abomination is child abuse

I am sick and tired of religious f**k wits pushing their delusion onto young and impressionable minds, they do this by fear, coercion, praise, reward etc. They purposefully build the delusional state into these kids to the point that even if they could think for themselves they daren't just in case they do end up in hell. The amish are past masters of this. Amish kids are taught fire and brimstone from the day of their birth. Then on their 16th birthday they have all restrictions removed, they can do WHATEVER they want, get drunk, take drugs, f**k each other in their parents home whatever the want. Is it any surprise that 80% of these kids after going on a massive bender, suddenly fearing the wrath of god (not to mention the excommunication from the community) agree to rejoin the community as adults. The amish call this manipulation and brainwashing an act of free will.

Religious nutjobs who peddle this kind of nonsense should be banned from interacting with kids in the same way paedophiles are. When I see and hear young kids mindlessly regurgitating the puerile nonsense fed to them by their infantile parents I feel sick to the stomach, and wish there was a way to stop these people abusing the young minds of their charges

Very obviously child abuse.

^ This

Imposing extremist/fundamental Christianity on children is a form of child abuse.

It's also a standard method of christian behaviour, and extremist/fundamental christians often regard it as doing the child a huge favour to treat them in such a way.

I found the entire 'Jesus Camp' video to be bizarre.... but I've seen a lot worse than that from personal experience.
In my own experience, the depths of abusive depravity which some Christians stoop to in an attempt to indoctrinate young children into their chosen religion can truly beggar belief.

QFT.

While the Jesus Camp video disturbed me, it's nothing compared to the antics of the Children of God or Warren Jeffs.

I think the weirdo thing with all that churches, is that you are always referring meaning less stuff. Christianity is about Christus. The guy named Jesus and what HE did. f**k on Moses, Leviticus, Paulus, whoever. They are not what christian believing are about. The guys before, were even opposed and negated by Jesus himself, or why do you think, the jewish priests were angry about him? And the guys afterwards simply told their personal opinions, and some other guys thought to add those opinions in the book. But only some other guy thought that opinions to be important you dont neet to think that way.

If you want to refer about Christianity, then do it. And if you want to negate Christianity, then do that as well. But some stuff, not being related to Christianity, is meaningless for an discussion about Christianity. The four Evangelia, describing the life of Christs, these are the core of Christianity. If you want to blame someone, for calling himsel Christian, when in reality he is always into some cruel old testament stuff, do so. But dont generally blame Christianity for stuff, that isnt part of it. Blaming a christian automatically for being an evolutionist, would get you around here simply some laughs, because I never actually met a christian believing into evolution theories. Old testament is simply an old storybook around here, with no meaning to Christianity. Just like all those letters and oppinions of people, being written afterward. Yop, you might agree with some, and disagrees with others, but they are simply humans people oppinions, no guidelines about christianity.

Nonsense. Christianity is about the Old Testament too, that's where they get all the hating gays stuff, that's Genesis, their story of the origin of the world, that's why they oppose teaching evolution.

The Jewish priests were angry at Jesus because the Romans kicked out all the original priests and installed their own handpicked proxies, paid very well not to disturb the status quo of the Roman occupation. That's what Jesus was, a Zealot, a revolutionary. That's why he was executed as an enemy of the state.

That was in the Old Testament, before Christ came as the final sacrifice. We now live in a new covenant, where bloodshed isn't needed in that regard. God was much stricter with people back then, because He had to be.

On a similar note, here's a question I've asked people many times: can God commit murder?

No. For the simple reason that no gods exist. However, man has committed many murders in the names of their gods throughout history.