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18 Jan 2014, 12:53 am

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I'm going to share a not-so-secret secret. No one who carries or owns a gun, ever *wants* to shoot someone (well, maybe some people do - certainly no one I know). I don't carry a gun because I'm looking for an excuse to put holes in someone - I carry a gun because, if it comes to it, I'd rather shoot someone and live to see another day than have them kill me. That's a very conscious choice that I made - but it's certainly not the end of it.

Where I live I don't think it is necessary to carry a gun. In Canada, gun laws are more strict and my town is pretty safe ('course, some neighbourhoods more than others.) I try to avoid putting myself in situations where a crime might occur. And a home invasion, I think, is highly unlikely. I don't know what I would do if I lived in a high crime area.


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18 Jan 2014, 1:03 am

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Where I live I don't think it is necessary to carry a gun. In Canada, gun laws are more strict and my town is pretty safe ('course, some neighbourhoods more than others.) I try to avoid putting myself in situations where a crime might occur. And a home invasion, I think, is highly unlikely. I don't know what I would do if I lived in a high crime area.


Crime statistics don't factor into the equation. I don't live in a high crime area either - but that doesn't mean that nothing bad can ever happen to me or someone around me. It's relatively easy to carry a gun my entire life and never have to use it. It's exceedingly difficult to conjure one out of thin air if I ever find myself in a position where I need it.


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18 Jan 2014, 1:36 am

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Where I live I don't think it is necessary to carry a gun. In Canada, gun laws are more strict and my town is pretty safe ('course, some neighbourhoods more than others.) I try to avoid putting myself in situations where a crime might occur. And a home invasion, I think, is highly unlikely. I don't know what I would do if I lived in a high crime area.


Crime statistics don't factor into the equation. I don't live in a high crime area either - but that doesn't mean that nothing bad can ever happen to me or someone around me. It's relatively easy to carry a gun my entire life and never have to use it. It's exceedingly difficult to conjure one out of thin air if I ever find myself in a position where I need it.


I think I like to try to find non-violent environments to live in. It kinda seems like if you have to walk around with a powerful weapon just to ensure your survival than civilization has broken down.
To each his own, but I don't want to be armed.


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18 Jan 2014, 2:00 am

Ann2011 wrote:
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Where I live I don't think it is necessary to carry a gun. In Canada, gun laws are more strict and my town is pretty safe ('course, some neighbourhoods more than others.) I try to avoid putting myself in situations where a crime might occur. And a home invasion, I think, is highly unlikely. I don't know what I would do if I lived in a high crime area.


Crime statistics don't factor into the equation. I don't live in a high crime area either - but that doesn't mean that nothing bad can ever happen to me or someone around me. It's relatively easy to carry a gun my entire life and never have to use it. It's exceedingly difficult to conjure one out of thin air if I ever find myself in a position where I need it.


I think I like to try to find non-violent environments to live in. It kinda seems like if you have to walk around with a powerful weapon just to ensure your survival than civilization has broken down.
To each his own, but I don't want to be armed.
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18 Jan 2014, 2:05 am

The largest school massacre in history was done with explosives and not guns. Strict gun laws make no sense whatsoever; criminals aren't exactly known to follow laws.



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18 Jan 2014, 2:28 am

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Strict gun laws make no sense whatsoever; criminals aren't exactly known to follow laws.

'Strict assault laws make no sense whatsoever; criminals aren't exactly known to follow laws.'



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18 Jan 2014, 2:40 am

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Strict gun laws make no sense whatsoever; criminals aren't exactly known to follow laws.

'Strict assault laws make no sense whatsoever; criminals aren't exactly known to follow laws.'


Assault is an action, i.e. something that is punishable. Guns are properties and inanimate objects--thus they only reflect the will of whoever interacts with them. I'm not sure about the US, but guns in Scandinavia used for criminal purposes are almost always stolen (and they're usually stolen from the military).

Laws against violence renders laws against gun unnecessary, save for very limited restrictions (eg. selling guns to mentally challenged people).



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18 Jan 2014, 6:59 am

Even IF the USA has the highest amount of "gun violence," other countries, including western nations have HIGHER overall violence and criminal acts against innocent people.

Even in the USA, crimes with "edged weapons" is 10 times higher than what is done with a firearm, but nobody wants to ban knife ownership.



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18 Jan 2014, 7:10 am

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Even IF the USA has the highest amount of "gun violence," other countries, including western nations have HIGHER overall violence and criminal acts against innocent people.

Even in the USA, crimes with "edged weapons" is 10 times higher than what is done with a firearm, but nobody wants to ban knife ownership.


This.

4% of all murders in Norway are carried out by firearms, despite the fact that it's VERY easy to obtain a gun here.



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18 Jan 2014, 9:58 am

And in communist China there have been many mass killings in schools involving knives, cleavers and even hammers. These sorts of attacks are certainly not unique to the US.



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18 Jan 2014, 10:31 am

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And in communist China there have been many mass killings in schools involving knives, cleavers and even hammers. These sorts of attacks are certainly not unique to the US.


Blunt force to the back of the head is actually a sure-fire to kill someone (or at least give them severe brain damage); stabbing someone to death is actually quite difficult. I don't see any laws on the sale of sledgehammers or axes, something that can potentially be an extremely dangerous weapon. I don't think any US states have restrictions on fertilizer sales, even though it's fairly easy to build a fertilizer bomb with far more destructive capabilities than any gun.



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18 Jan 2014, 12:51 pm

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It's purely a propaganda phenomenon. The actual violent crime rate across the US is at a 20 year low.

The leftist Mainstream Media in the US is determined to push the administration's gun grab agenda, so they make sure than any incident that can make people afraid, especially if it involves making them feel their children are in danger, gets top priority and incessant coverage. Just as stories that involve a citizen thwarting a crime or saving a life with a firearm are ignored across the board - those stories only appear in local news media, they never get national coverage.

The old newsroom saw is "If It Bleeds, It Leads." Nothing gets eyes glued to the screen like fear and mayhem. 8O

If you pay attention, you'll also notice that they use lots of calculated misrepresentation - every rifle is "an AR-15 'style' Assault Rifle" (even though they never are), the statement that "there are no background checks done for sales online and at gun shows" is constantly repeated, even though it is absolutely false, the very term "Assault Rifle" is itself a lie - a true "assault rifle" is a fully automatic machine gun, which are only available to licensed collectors after much paperwork and several background checks by the FBI. The guns currently targeted by hysterical politicians are standard semi-automatic (one squeeze, one fire) rifles with a military-looking grip, no more dangerous than any hunting rifle.

There is no 'phenomenon' going on. It seems that way because of the manner in which it's being covered by the Media Propaganda Machine. The truth is, if you want to see a chilling cause-and-effect link between violent behavior in young people in the USA, just delve into the correlation between bizarre homicidal outbursts in young people and the listed side effects of SSRI medications, like Ritalin, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, Prozac, et. al. But the MSM isn't going to cover the sins of Big Pharma, for fear of losing all that ad revenue they get advertising Viagra, Levitra, Abilify and Ambien.


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18 Jan 2014, 1:20 pm

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In Age of School Shootings, Lockdown Is the New Fire Drill

So I guess this is a part of life now. Is it the access to weapons; or a cultural phenomenon?


Or maybe it's the fact that every school where a shooting has occurred in the last few decades was a "gun free zone," wherein the strictest from of gun control was in place. Or maybe it's the fact that there are now few longer gun ranges in schools, which give students the opportunity to learn how to shoot pistols and rifles? A few decades ago, when school shootings were a rarity, gun ranges in or near schools were much more common. The point is that "access to weapons" is not responsible for the school shooting problem we have now. The left wants to blame guns when the real blame lies with individuals and, sometimes, the culture.



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18 Jan 2014, 1:47 pm

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sliqua-jcooter wrote:
I'm going to share a not-so-secret secret. No one who carries or owns a gun, ever *wants* to shoot someone (well, maybe some people do - certainly no one I know). I don't carry a gun because I'm looking for an excuse to put holes in someone - I carry a gun because, if it comes to it, I'd rather shoot someone and live to see another day than have them kill me. That's a very conscious choice that I made - but it's certainly not the end of it.

Where I live I don't think it is necessary to carry a gun. In Canada, gun laws are more strict and my town is pretty safe ('course, some neighbourhoods more than others.) I try to avoid putting myself in situations where a crime might occur. And a home invasion, I think, is highly unlikely. I don't know what I would do if I lived in a high crime area.

My neighbor hood is the safest in my county,yet there was a home invasion at my closest neighbors and a double homicide up the road.The homicide was more of a personal thing between those involved,but the home invasion was by people that were not known to the victim.Thats what changed my mind about owning a gun.That and an individual who had just been released for auto theft showing up here claiming he got washed off the low water bridge on his four wheeler,funny thing,his pants and shoes were dry. :? if I had not been home I think he would have burglarized my house.


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18 Jan 2014, 2:25 pm

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My neighbor hood is the safest in my county,yet there was a home invasion at my closest neighbors and a double homicide up the road.The homicide was more of a personal thing between those involved,but the home invasion was by people that were not known to the victim.Thats what changed my mind about owning a gun.That and an individual who had just been released for auto theft showing up here claiming he got washed off the low water bridge on his four wheeler,funny thing,his pants and shoes were dry. :? if I had not been home I think he would have burglarized my house.

My strategy is to live in an upscale apartment complex. I feel the chances of home invasion are lessened by my proximity to neighbours. If anyone broke in, first the two dogs would start barking, and then either me or my Mom would freak out. And the super is right across the hall. This makes me feel safer. I wouldn't introduce a weapon to this environment either. If the criminal had a gun so be it. The deaths are on him.


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18 Jan 2014, 2:28 pm

LKL wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
Strict gun laws make no sense whatsoever; criminals aren't exactly known to follow laws.

'Strict assault laws make no sense whatsoever; criminals aren't exactly known to follow laws.'
Do you really think you're persuading anyone with a condescending tone and a weak analogy? I got one for you; try strict drug laws.

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It's purely a propaganda phenomenon. The actual violent crime rate across the US is at a 20 year low.

The leftist Mainstream Media in the US is determined to push the administration's gun grab agenda, so they make sure than any incident that can make people afraid, especially if it involves making them feel their children are in danger, gets top priority and incessant coverage. Just as stories that involve a citizen thwarting a crime or saving a life with a firearm are ignored across the board - those stories only appear in local news media, they never get national coverage.

The old newsroom saw is "If It Bleeds, It Leads." Nothing gets eyes glued to the screen like fear and mayhem. 8O

If you pay attention, you'll also notice that they use lots of calculated misrepresentation - every rifle is "an AR-15 'style' Assault Rifle" (even though they never are), the statement that "there are no background checks done for sales online and at gun shows" is constantly repeated, even though it is absolutely false, the very term "Assault Rifle" is itself a lie - a true "assault rifle" is a fully automatic machine gun, which are only available to licensed collectors after much paperwork and several background checks by the FBI. The guns currently targeted by hysterical politicians are standard semi-automatic (one squeeze, one fire) rifles with a military-looking grip, no more dangerous than any hunting rifle.

There is no 'phenomenon' going on. It seems that way because of the manner in which it's being covered by the Media Propaganda Machine. The truth is, if you want to see a chilling cause-and-effect link between violent behavior in young people in the USA, just delve into the correlation between bizarre homicidal outbursts in young people and the listed side effects of SSRI medications, like Ritalin, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor, Prozac, et. al. But the MSM isn't going to cover the sins of Big Pharma, for fear of losing all that ad revenue they get advertising Viagra, Levitra, Abilify and Ambien.
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