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Kurgan
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11 Feb 2014, 4:06 pm

H. L. Mencken had his moments. Some of it is still relevant today.



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11 Feb 2014, 5:07 pm

The Buddha. All other philosophy makes very little sense when you really start to know and live Buddhism (and I consider it a philosophy way more than a religion in any sense of the word).

That said, I always had a soft spot for the Stoics. When I'm really down in the dumps, I sometimes read Marcus Aurelius.



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11 Feb 2014, 6:34 pm

Currently it is between Immanuel Kant & Albert Pike. Because both men opened up religion and set it upon its ear. Not one religion, but all. Immanuel Kant created metaphysics & Albert Pike took back the term Luciferian for its original meaning. Both men devoted themselves to improving the worlds they lived in, both were incredibly intelligent, both were obsessed with empirical facts & undeniable truths that they absorbed themselves to philosophy of original thought. Albert Pike book: Morals & Dogma - Immanuel Kant book: Introduction to Metaphysics



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12 Feb 2014, 12:53 pm

wornlight wrote:
i suggest, if we look further, without totally abandoning that motivational framework, we could see that underlying seeking pleasure and avoiding pain, is not selfishness but love. if desire were not "the feeling of not wanting to feel this feeling" it could not be a motivating force. if desire seemed like a perfect feeling all on its own, we would never feel compelled to do anything about it. it would be an end in itself. so, how is then? by always seeming to be in the way of something better, such as love, or peace, or contentment; something that is already present to the degree that desire is absent. that all desire intends toward its own absence is what i mean by, "love is the supreme neutrality that all desire intends toward."


1. But how do you define "love"?

2. Mothers murder their children out of "love". This is a common occurrence in the news. The mother will say, "I love my children so much, and I didn't want my children to suffer". Another common occurrence is that spouses murder the other spouse, because they don't want the other spouse to suffer with an illness.

3. So your argument is to say the "ego" of these murderers are motivated not by self-interest, but instead, by referencing the feelings of others ? However, their reasoning seems to always be about them as in "I did" .. "I felt" .. "I didn't want ...".

4. It seems like the concept of "love" is the same as "seeking pleasure over pain" per the motivational hedonists philosophy, and psychological hedonists ?



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12 Feb 2014, 2:12 pm

At the moment, Bertrand Russell

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Mathematics, rightly viewed, possesses not only truth, but supreme beauty - a beauty cold and austere, like that of sculpture.


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A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand.


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I think we ought always to entertain our opinions with some measure of doubt. I shouldn't wish people dogmatically to believe any philosophy, not even mine


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If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence. The origin of myths is explained in this way.


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If there were in the world today any large number of people who desired their own happiness more than they desired the unhappiness of others, we could have paradise in a few years.


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Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.


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Men fear thought as they fear nothing else on earth -- more than ruin -- more even than death.... Thought is subversive and revolutionary, destructive and terrible, thought is merciless to privilege, established institutions, and comfortable habit. Thought looks into the pit of hell and is not afraid. Thought is great and swift and free, the light of the world, and the chief glory of man.


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13 Feb 2014, 7:41 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
1. But how do you define "love"?
by using it in a particular way.
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2. Mothers murder their children out of "love". This is a common occurrence in the news. The mother will say, "I love my children so much, and I didn't want my children to suffer". Another common occurrence is that spouses murder the other spouse, because they don't want the other spouse to suffer with an illness.
it would seem to to be a grossly misguided expression of love.
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3. So your argument is to say the "ego" of these murderers are motivated not by self-interest, but instead, by referencing the feelings of others ?

it seems to me that intentions are determined by belief. belief is not always about self-interest, e.g., "people should not beat their dogs." so some intentions are with reference to a self and some are not. apart from beliefs about self-interest, there's no such thing as 'self-interest'. if a fixed reference point with respect to which all intentions are intended and all feelings felt does not exist, then self-interest is not invariably a factor in motivation. one need only believe, or wholeheartedly intend, that an action is in another person's interest in order for it to be unselfish. whether it really is in the other person's interest is another matter. on the other hand, a person may very well kill someone they love because they can't handle the stress of taking care of them and then rationalize the act in terms of easing the other person's suffering in order to avoid feelings of guilt.
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However, their reasoning seems to always be about them as in "I did" .. "I felt" .. "I didn't want ...".

that we retrospectively frame our behaviors in terms of a default mode of reference does not necessarily indicate that they occurred within that frame. the typical question we are responding to when justifying behaviors is of the form, "why did/would you do that?" the expectation that we answer in a particular way, with respect to self, is built into the question; it's not "why did that happen?" or "how did it happen?" but "why did you do that?" i.e., what you see depends on how you look.
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4. It seems like the concept of "love" is the same as "seeking pleasure over pain" per the motivational hedonists philosophy, and psychological hedonists ?

almost, except for the sense in which seeking pleasure is the pain.



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13 Feb 2014, 8:19 pm

GGPViper wrote:
My favourite is David Hume, with Karl Popper as a close second.

The reason why I put Hume above Popper is because many of the central claims in Popper's The Logic of Scientific Discovery (which today constitute the core of the scientific method) from 1934 were already developed by Hume 186 years earlier in An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding in 1748.

That, and the fact that Hume identified the two most fundamental problems in philosophy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hume%27s_fork
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Is%E2%80%93ought_problem

Hume's a good choice!