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06 Apr 2014, 12:06 am
Well?...Something interesting happened today and I was enlightened...I managed to run into a feminist at the local starbucks strangly she was friendly and I asked her "If feminists are always angry?" She laughed and said "of course not and explained why they get angry during protests and such so they can be heard and are outraged about being oppressed in a patriarchal society its not men at all, well maybe some men the ones that are treating us unequally" we had a nice long conversation about an hour and 47 mins long and was able to answer my questions and it changed my perception of things. She did not identify herself as a radical feminist but a sex possitive feminist and that she herself argues with other feminists that dissagree with her views and says this is common between different sectors of the feminist movement but all strive for one goal equality and women's rights. She kept trying to convert me throughout the conversation I responded with a maybe she said don't feel discouraged or embarressed or afraid your not allowed just because your a guy we need all the help we can get! dont be ashamed of yourself that your a man or your sexuality you can always be a sex possitive feminist too you'd make a great one. I told her ill think about it 
. Im just glad I was able to get all my questions answered and now am at peace. And maybe just maybe I could be a feminist. Oh my what am I saying?! 
*disappears ninja style with a smoke bomb*
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06 Apr 2014, 12:31 am
06 Apr 2014, 12:56 am
jrjones9933 wrote:
Be proud of your mad skills!
Your mad, counterproductive, antisocial skills!
Your mad, counterproductive, antisocial skills!
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06 Apr 2014, 2:52 am
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06 Apr 2014, 4:26 am
AspieOtaku wrote:
Well?...Something interesting happened today and I was enlightened...I managed to run into a feminist at the local starbucks strangly she was friendly and I asked her "If feminists are always angry?" She laughed and said "of course not and explained why they get angry during protests and such so they can be heard and are outraged about being oppressed in a patriarchal society its not men at all, well maybe some men the ones that are treating us unequally" we had a nice long conversation about an hour and 47 mins long and was able to answer my questions and it changed my perception of things. She did not identify herself as a radical feminist but a sex possitive feminist and that she herself argues with other feminists that dissagree with her views and says this is common between different sectors of the feminist movement but all strive for one goal equality and women's rights. She kept trying to convert me throughout the conversation I responded with a maybe she said don't feel discouraged or embarressed or afraid your not allowed just because your a guy we need all the help we can get! dont be ashamed of yourself that your a man or your sexuality you can always be a sex possitive feminist too you'd make a great one. I told her ill think about it . Im just glad I was able to get all my questions answered and now am at peace. And maybe just maybe I could be a feminist. Oh my what am I saying?! *disappears ninja style with a smoke bomb*
she said don't feel discouraged or embarressed or afraid your not allowed just because your a guy we need all the help we can get! dont be ashamed of yourself that your a man or your sexuality you can always be a sex possitive feminist too you'd make a great one. I told her ill think about it . Im just glad I was able to get all my questions answered and now am at peace. And maybe just maybe I could be a feminist. Oh my what am I saying?! *disappears ninja style with a smoke bomb*Hallelujah! Does this mean an end to all these feminist threads?
06 Apr 2014, 4:28 am
TallyMan wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
Well?...Something interesting happened today and I was enlightened...I managed to run into a feminist at the local starbucks strangly she was friendly and I asked her "If feminists are always angry?" She laughed and said "of course not and explained why they get angry during protests and such so they can be heard and are outraged about being oppressed in a patriarchal society its not men at all, well maybe some men the ones that are treating us unequally" we had a nice long conversation about an hour and 47 mins long and was able to answer my questions and it changed my perception of things. She did not identify herself as a radical feminist but a sex possitive feminist and that she herself argues with other feminists that dissagree with her views and says this is common between different sectors of the feminist movement but all strive for one goal equality and women's rights. She kept trying to convert me throughout the conversation I responded with a maybe she said don't feel discouraged or embarressed or afraid your not allowed just because your a guy we need all the help we can get! dont be ashamed of yourself that your a man or your sexuality you can always be a sex possitive feminist too you'd make a great one. I told her ill think about it . Im just glad I was able to get all my questions answered and now am at peace. And maybe just maybe I could be a feminist. Oh my what am I saying?! *disappears ninja style with a smoke bomb*
she said don't feel discouraged or embarressed or afraid your not allowed just because your a guy we need all the help we can get! dont be ashamed of yourself that your a man or your sexuality you can always be a sex possitive feminist too you'd make a great one. I told her ill think about it . Im just glad I was able to get all my questions answered and now am at peace. And maybe just maybe I could be a feminist. Oh my what am I saying?! *disappears ninja style with a smoke bomb*Hallelujah! Does this mean an end to all these feminist threads?
06 Apr 2014, 5:11 am
AspieOtaku wrote:
Well?...Something interesting happened today and I was enlightened...I managed to run into a feminist at the local starbucks strangly she was friendly and I asked her "If feminists are always angry?" She laughed and said "of course not and explained why they get angry during protests and such so they can be heard and are outraged about being oppressed in a patriarchal society its not men at all, well maybe some men the ones that are treating us unequally" we had a nice long conversation about an hour and 47 mins long and was able to answer my questions and it changed my perception of things. She did not identify herself as a radical feminist but a sex possitive feminist and that she herself argues with other feminists that dissagree with her views and says this is common between different sectors of the feminist movement but all strive for one goal equality and women's rights. She kept trying to convert me throughout the conversation I responded with a maybe she said don't feel discouraged or embarressed or afraid your not allowed just because your a guy we need all the help we can get! dont be ashamed of yourself that your a man or your sexuality you can always be a sex possitive feminist too you'd make a great one. I told her ill think about it . Im just glad I was able to get all my questions answered and now am at peace. And maybe just maybe I could be a feminist. Oh my what am I saying?! *disappears ninja style with a smoke bomb*
she said don't feel discouraged or embarressed or afraid your not allowed just because your a guy we need all the help we can get! dont be ashamed of yourself that your a man or your sexuality you can always be a sex possitive feminist too you'd make a great one. I told her ill think about it . Im just glad I was able to get all my questions answered and now am at peace. And maybe just maybe I could be a feminist. Oh my what am I saying?! *disappears ninja style with a smoke bomb*The problem is: did you make the right specific questions?.
If you talk about vague and generalized stuff, it sounds fine. If you stay in the nebulous world of purposes and intentions, there's nothing wrong with it. The problem appears when you leave the world of vague statements and go into specific issues.
For example: do you want men and women to be equal? Of course. Now focus in some specific issue: if a woman is free to reject motherhood (in a nutshell, to abort), should a man be equally free to reject parenthood? (so the mother, if she wants to go ahead with pregnancy, she's the only one with rights and responsabilities over the kid). Feminist answer: NOOOO!
For example: do men and women should have equal right to work? Of course. Now focus in some specific issue: if men's unemployment is higher than women's, should the gouvernment be allowed to spend some money to incentivate male employment. Feminist answer: NOOOO! (And this a real fact: Obama was pressed by feminist organizations to take such plan down. And indeed, he did).
And the list goes on and on.
Check this critical piece, quite recent: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/anne-theri ... 49999.html. It's an almost 2000-words text, quite a long one. Now look for one single specific issue covered or included in the critic, as the ones I tod before. Do you want to make a feminist angry? It's easy: just tell him/her "please, don't make general statements. Just be specific". This is the magic word.
06 Apr 2014, 7:09 pm
Kuku wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
Well?...Something interesting happened today and I was enlightened...I managed to run into a feminist at the local starbucks strangly she was friendly and I asked her "If feminists are always angry?" She laughed and said "of course not and explained why they get angry during protests and such so they can be heard and are outraged about being oppressed in a patriarchal society its not men at all, well maybe some men the ones that are treating us unequally" we had a nice long conversation about an hour and 47 mins long and was able to answer my questions and it changed my perception of things. She did not identify herself as a radical feminist but a sex possitive feminist and that she herself argues with other feminists that dissagree with her views and says this is common between different sectors of the feminist movement but all strive for one goal equality and women's rights. She kept trying to convert me throughout the conversation I responded with a maybe she said don't feel discouraged or embarressed or afraid your not allowed just because your a guy we need all the help we can get! dont be ashamed of yourself that your a man or your sexuality you can always be a sex possitive feminist too you'd make a great one. I told her ill think about it . Im just glad I was able to get all my questions answered and now am at peace. And maybe just maybe I could be a feminist. Oh my what am I saying?! *disappears ninja style with a smoke bomb*
she said don't feel discouraged or embarressed or afraid your not allowed just because your a guy we need all the help we can get! dont be ashamed of yourself that your a man or your sexuality you can always be a sex possitive feminist too you'd make a great one. I told her ill think about it . Im just glad I was able to get all my questions answered and now am at peace. And maybe just maybe I could be a feminist. Oh my what am I saying?! *disappears ninja style with a smoke bomb*The problem is: did you make the right specific questions?.
If you talk about vague and generalized stuff, it sounds fine. If you stay in the nebulous world of purposes and intentions, there's nothing wrong with it. The problem appears when you leave the world of vague statements and go into specific issues.
For example: do you want men and women to be equal? Of course. Now focus in some specific issue: if a woman is free to reject motherhood (in a nutshell, to abort), should a man be equally free to reject parenthood? (so the mother, if she wants to go ahead with pregnancy, she's the only one with rights and responsabilities over the kid). Feminist answer: NOOOO!
For example: do men and women should have equal right to work? Of course. Now focus in some specific issue: if men's unemployment is higher than women's, should the gouvernment be allowed to spend some money to incentivate male employment. Feminist answer: NOOOO! (And this a real fact: Obama was pressed by feminist organizations to take such plan down. And indeed, he did).
And the list goes on and on.
Check this critical piece, quite recent: http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/anne-theri ... 49999.html. It's an almost 2000-words text, quite a long one. Now look for one single specific issue covered or included in the critic, as the ones I tod before. Do you want to make a feminist angry? It's easy: just tell him/her "please, don't make general statements. Just be specific". This is the magic word.
Your posts in this thread (and the other recent thread about feminism) seem to back up what the article is saying - that some men would rather keep complaining forever on and on about feminism rather than address the real and genuine issues that men shuld be fighting for. Your posts are rather hypocritical.
Not every article has to be a study with numbers and studies and statistics. Sometimes just getting a different perspective is helpful.
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