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29 Apr 2014, 7:08 pm

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But yeah certainly didn't strike me as an assault rifle, though it could certainly kill someone.

There have been experiments done, some on Youtube, that demonstrate that a common .22 long-rifle round fired from a rifle can penetrate enough flesh to be lethal out to 300+ yards. It's certainly not the best tool for that task or even a good one but still capable.


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29 Apr 2014, 10:44 pm

They were probably trying to impress their clueless babysitter. Still the parents should teach them better than that.



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29 Apr 2014, 10:55 pm

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But yeah certainly didn't strike me as an assault rifle, though it could certainly kill someone.

There have been experiments done, some on Youtube, that demonstrate that a common .22 long-rifle round fired from a rifle can penetrate enough flesh to be lethal out to 300+ yards. It's certainly not the best tool for that task or even a good one but still capable.

My ex's favorite deer rifle was a .22.He always did a heart shot behind the shoulder,they can definetly be lethal.He was expert marksman in the Army, so he was definetly a better than average shot.Never used a shotgun.He would shot the squirrels in the heart also because he liked to eat the brains and didn't want to mess them up with a head shot.


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29 Apr 2014, 11:58 pm

Misslizard wrote:
Raptor wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
But yeah certainly didn't strike me as an assault rifle, though it could certainly kill someone.

There have been experiments done, some on Youtube, that demonstrate that a common .22 long-rifle round fired from a rifle can penetrate enough flesh to be lethal out to 300+ yards. It's certainly not the best tool for that task or even a good one but still capable.

My ex's favorite deer rifle was a .22.He always did a heart shot behind the shoulder,they can definetly be lethal.He was expert marksman in the Army, so he was definetly a better than average shot.Never used a shotgun.He would shot the squirrels in the heart also because he liked to eat the brains and didn't want to mess them up with a head shot.


Around here I don't even think it's even legal to use something as small as a .22 on a deer. I don't doubt that you could get an instant kill if you knew what you were doing, but in most cases a person shooting a deer with one would just wound it instead of killing it in one shot. I mean, it would still probably die from the wound, but it would be a slow and painful death from blood loss rather than an instant one.



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30 Apr 2014, 9:52 am

I agree,you have to be a crack shot.People with bad aim use shot guns,then you have all those nasty pellets in the meat.You can break a tooth on one.Some of the hunters would donate meat to food pantries but now some won't take the meat because of the lead in the pellets.
My son prefers to use a 30/30.
I don't hunt,I couldn't shoot something unless it was trying to attack me.


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30 Apr 2014, 8:54 pm

I know a fair number of people who hunt, and the ones who have shotguns pretty much never use them for deer, moose, elk, or similar animals. Usually, if it's a 12 gauge it's used for bird hunting, and if it's a 4/10 it's used for things like squirrels and other small game.



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30 Apr 2014, 9:30 pm

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
I know a fair number of people who hunt, and the ones who have shotguns pretty much never use them for deer, moose, elk, or similar animals. Usually, if it's a 12 gauge it's used for bird hunting, and if it's a 4/10 it's used for things like squirrels and other small game.


Shotguns for deer is a Northeast US thing, as some states forbid using rifles because the carryover range is too long for where the hunting takes place, I don't think anyone does so by choice.


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30 Apr 2014, 9:45 pm

Don't ever try to shoot a goat in the head with a .22, I've heard their skull is so thick it could ricochet.That could be BS,but that's what I've heard.


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30 Apr 2014, 10:24 pm

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Don't ever try to shoot a goat in the head with a .22, I've heard their skull is so thick it could ricochet.That could be BS,but that's what I've heard.


'Nuff said ....
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01 May 2014, 5:18 am

Frightening responses in this thread.

I'd never even think of teaching a child to shoot a gun. There's no need for this nonsense in the modern world.



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01 May 2014, 7:45 am

What if you live in an area with bears,rabid skunks,and tweakers?Should'nt a kid know how to shoot?We don't all live in cities with a police station next door.


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01 May 2014, 12:12 pm

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Frightening responses in this thread.

I'd never even think of teaching a child to shoot a gun. There's no need for this nonsense in the modern world.


If they are never properly taught how to safely handle and operate firearms their chances of being involved in a firearm related accident are much higher. You can love, hate, or anywhere inbetween on firearms but they are still commonly enough encountered to make safety training a necessity. No matter how "modern" the world becomes there will always be the presence of firearms. Period.


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01 May 2014, 3:50 pm

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Frightening responses in this thread.

I'd never even think of teaching a child to shoot a gun. There's no need for this nonsense in the modern world.


No need for fencing or archery lesson either by your standards, but I don't see you wringing your hands over those activities. Perhaps this is more about your own irrational fears, seeing as how you find the posts in this thread "frightening"...


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01 May 2014, 7:41 pm

heavenlyabyss wrote:
Frightening responses in this thread.

I'd never even think of teaching a child to shoot a gun. There's no need for this nonsense in the modern world.


It's better for a child to learn how to use and handle firearms in a responsible manner, than to know nothing and accidentally shoot themselves in the foot when they do stumble across one. Guns exist, people use them, and I don't see that changing any time soon. Though I've only ever gone hunting a couple times in my life, I'm extremely grateful that my grandfather taught me how to use guns responsibly.

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If they are never properly taught how to safely handle and operate firearms their chances of being involved in a firearm related accident are much higher. You can love, hate, or anywhere inbetween on firearms but they are still commonly enough encountered to make safety training a necessity. No matter how "modern" the world becomes there will always be the presence of firearms. Period.


My thoughts exactly.



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02 May 2014, 3:54 am

Dox47 wrote:
heavenlyabyss wrote:
Frightening responses in this thread.

I'd never even think of teaching a child to shoot a gun. There's no need for this nonsense in the modern world.


No need for fencing or archery lesson either by your standards, but I don't see you wringing your hands over those activities. Perhaps this is more about your own irrational fears, seeing as how you find the posts in this thread "frightening"...


It was meant to be an idealistic post, perhaps with the secondary intention of provocation.

I do not have an irrational fear of guns. Where I live, gun homicides and suicides and accidents are actually pretty rare (I am lucky to live where I do). So when I walk around the neighborhood I am not afraid to be shot to death or anything like that. If I lived in a worse neighborhood I would probably be even more anti-gun than I am now.

My point was simply that the majority of the population doesn't have to hunt and gather for their own food. I realize some people have to do this, but I am not one of those people. It just seems very strange to me how humans like guns so much. Animals don't shoot guns. Guns and weapons are an example of human innovation gone wrong.

Again, I am not talking about how things are at this very moment in time. Some people do in fact need guns to protect themselves. My post was meant to be an idealistic comment on how things should be, not how they are.



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02 May 2014, 8:40 pm

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My point was simply that the majority of the population doesn't have to hunt and gather for their own food. I realize some people have to do this, but I am not one of those people.

Some people hunt because they enjoy it. Humans are hunters by nature be it in the field with a gun in pursuit of game or other forms, but that's just how it is.

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It just seems very strange to me how humans like guns so much.

For me it's a lifelong interest.

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Animals don't shoot guns.

That made a lot of sense. :roll:

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Guns and weapons are an example of human innovation gone wrong.

Guns HAD to happen as weaponry evolved just as the automobile HAD to happen as transportation evolved. There was no way for it not to happen.

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Again, I am not talking about how things are at this very moment in time. Some people do in fact need guns to protect themselves. My post was meant to be an idealistic comment on how things should be, not how they are.

Not gonna happen. Even if it did guns and shooting would still be my hobby of choice.


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