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25 May 2014, 10:18 am

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Down 5% YOY is "doing well"? Even though this one coincided with a European election?

I'm quite busy at the moment but I'd like to answer this.

The graph you gave is technically accurate but misleading. It counts every ward in the country in the percentage, so wards we didn't stand in - a good half of them (the LDs stood in fewer wards than us in Preston and in other places) is counted as 0% of the vote which depresses it. If you count the wards we stood in, the average is much closer to 30%.

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25 May 2014, 11:57 am

Tequila wrote:

The_Walrus wrote:

Down 5% YOY is "doing well"? Even though this one coincided with a European election?

Actually, I think you only suffer from the 12% of wards in which the three major parties stood but you didn't. You don't lose for failing to stand against that Oxfordshire Tory who was unopposed, for example.

And think about it - if the Greens only stood in wards they were confident they could win, they'd have a huge share of the vote. That wouldn't translate to power though.

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25 May 2014, 2:56 pm

Brought to you by the 'unbiased' Nick Robinson who was chairman of the Young Conservatives at his university.

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26 May 2014, 2:47 am

OK, that's something to celebrate if you are pro-UKIP.

It does mean that the UK is f****d, but hey.

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26 May 2014, 4:56 am

Well, that's depressing. I mean, a lot of people plain didn't vote, let alone didn't vote UKIP, but still.

I presume UKIP supporters would be more likely to vote, still in the first flush of political love, unlike the more jaded labour/tory/lib dem leaning.

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by these 'I'm not racist but' people they show us.
They say things like 'it's all got too much'
and 'there's too many of them' etc etc
So what do they think UKIP is going to do for them?
Put people on trains and ship them out?
And how will these people be chosen?
And who is going to do the choosing?
And if the people refuse to go?
Will UKIP have special police to do that?
And this is not racism?
And UKIP isn't deliberately holding out hopes for people who say those things that that is precisely what they would do?
And Labour can't say that about UKIP?
And that Labour should keep saying that 'people have concerns' instead of saying what I'm saying here?
For f.sake Miliband, it's what your parents fled from.
Say it. Say it. Say it.

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26 May 2014, 5:45 am

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OK, that's something to celebrate if you are pro-UKIP.

I was howling with laughter and cheers when Graham Watson lost his seat. He is everything I despise about the EU and about the way we are governed by career politicians.

A great night seeing him put out to grass, as well as Nick Griffin of course.

We won. We bloody well won.

Best of luck in particular to Paul, Louise and Steven. Go and give them hell! We had a representative from our branch there.

Elated to see Bill in WM and Mike Hookem in Yorkshire elected. Was a pity we didn't get another MEP seat in London, but a lot of that will be to do with EU nationals who can vote in our elections.

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26 May 2014, 6:23 am

I have even created a new UKIP/EFD grouping:

Czech Republic: Party of Free Citizens - 1 seat
Denmark: Danish People's Party - 4 seats
Finland: Finns Party - 2 seats
Greece: Independent Greeks - 1 seat
Lithuania: Order and Justice - 2 seats
Netherlands: SGP - 1 seat
UK: UKIP - 24 seats

That would put us over the seven-country threshold and would give us 35 seats, same as we have now. If the Lega Nord rejoined us instead of going with the EAF, we'd have 40 seats. But I think we're parting company.

The EAF has:

Austria: Freedom Party of Austria - 4 seats
France: Front National - 24 seats
Italy: Lega Nord - 5 seats
Netherlands: Party for Freedom - 4 seats
Sweden: Sweden Democrats - 2 seats

In fact, I think they will struggle with countries unless they team up with the Nazis of the NPD, Golden Dawn and Jobbik.

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26 May 2014, 12:50 pm

I like Farage, he's the only reason I'd pay attention to British politics. Hopefully Rand Paul gets elected in 2016 here, change is possible.

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26 May 2014, 1:27 pm

Tequila wrote:

Elated to see Bill in WM and Mike Hookem in Yorkshire elected. Was a pity we didn't get another MEP seat in London, but a lot of that will be to do with EU nationals who can vote in our elections.

Of course you didn't get an MEP in London. The London electorate is far too well educated, aren't they? "Thick racist oiks", that is your favourite kind of people, isn't it?

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