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24 May 2014, 3:56 am

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@Moviefan I shudder to think of what you regard as beyond reasonable doubt


Cos its in his bible, therefore case proved beyond reasonable doubt. :P :lol:


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24 May 2014, 4:24 am

Many of the Genesis stories are riffs on older Babylonian stories. Which is why many scholars believe that this material was written during or after the Babylonian exile, when the Jewish elite were dragged off to live in Babylon for decades. ~580 BCE. And if they didn't borrow it from Babylon they borrowed it from Canaan. Up until the past 100 years or so scholars didn't know that.

For example, a trickster god or a sneaky snake that prevents a man from eating magic immortality food, the confusion of languages, the combat with the sea dragon(s), the division of waters to create the world, the rib woman / mother of all life. All from older stories. Several of the Jewish biblical months are also named for Babylonian months. Including Tammuz, which is also the name of a Babylonian god.



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24 May 2014, 6:29 am

Moviefan2k4 wrote:
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proof that it actually happened?
Beyond all doubt, no. Beyond a reasonable doubt, yes.

Please make sure you never serve on a jury.



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24 May 2014, 2:11 pm

I have some questions for Noah's ark believers-

(minus points for invoking the circular argument of divine intervention)

1- How did one man construct such an enormous vessel, with such short notice considering that a large team of men wouldn't have been able to?
2- How did one man, with such short notice, travel the length and breadth of the Earth to shepherd two of each and every species to said craft?
3- How did Noah convince the big cats and other predatory animals like polar bears not to eat the other species that he had saved?
4- What did those predatory creatures eat for the duration of the journey if he could only take 2 of every species?
5- How would a man alive in old testament times have access to an itinerary of every species, considering we are now in the 21st century and still discovering new species?


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24 May 2014, 2:56 pm

^ 6 - After the floods did Noah then travel the entire world's oceans depositing the relevant animals back into each country, continent and island?

The whole thing is stupidity beyond belief. How anyone can believe it actually happened baffles me, they must live in cloud cuckoo land.


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24 May 2014, 4:01 pm

TallyMan wrote:
^ 6 - After the floods did Noah then travel the entire world's oceans depositing the relevant animals back into each country, continent and island?

The whole thing is stupidity beyond belief. How anyone can believe it actually happened baffles me, they must live in cloud cuckoo land.


According to a certain WP member it was the human descendents of Noah's crew who did the restocking. The ancestors of the Australian Aboriginies carted death adder snakes all of the way to Australia. But they didnt think to stock Australia with horses, cattle, or sheep.



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24 May 2014, 4:09 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
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^ 6 - After the floods did Noah then travel the entire world's oceans depositing the relevant animals back into each country, continent and island?

The whole thing is stupidity beyond belief. How anyone can believe it actually happened baffles me, they must live in cloud cuckoo land.


According to a certain WP member it was the human descendents of Noah's crew who did the restocking. The ancestors of the Australian Aboriginies carted death adder snakes all of the way to Australia. But they didnt think to stock Australia with horses, cattle, or sheep.


:lol: Some people's beliefs are just so far out there, they're beyond Pluto.


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24 May 2014, 4:15 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
^ 6 - After the floods did Noah then travel the entire world's oceans depositing the relevant animals back into each country, continent and island?

The whole thing is stupidity beyond belief. How anyone can believe it actually happened baffles me, they must live in cloud cuckoo land.


According to a certain WP member it was the human descendents of Noah's crew who did the restocking. The ancestors of the Australian Aboriginies carted death adder snakes all of the way to Australia. But they didnt think to stock Australia with horses, cattle, or sheep.


Whoops, looks like we lost a few humans over on those two American-looking continents. Oh well. Let's just pretend like we don't know they exist as we write down the literal word of God.



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24 May 2014, 4:23 pm

thomas81 wrote:
I have some questions for Noah's ark believers-

(minus points for invoking the circular argument of divine intervention)

1- How did one man construct such an enormous vessel, with such short notice considering that a large team of men wouldn't have been able to?
2- How did one man, with such short notice, travel the length and breadth of the Earth to shepherd two of each and every species to said craft?
3- How did Noah convince the big cats and other predatory animals like polar bears not to eat the other species that he had saved?
4- What did those predatory creatures eat for the duration of the journey if he could only take 2 of every species?
5- How would a man alive in old testament times have access to an itinerary of every species, considering we are now in the 21st century and still discovering new species?


Clearly you and Tallyman did not pay attention to the story, or at least all the pictures in the sunday school books. The animals all just came and lined up in an orderly fashion and got on the Ark. Geez! If you're gonna ask a questions like this, please do your research first! :D



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24 May 2014, 4:26 pm

I wish Noah had defleaed and checked the animals for ticks.


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24 May 2014, 4:40 pm

wozeree wrote:
Clearly you and Tallyman did not pay attention to the story, or at least all the pictures in the sunday school books. The animals all just came and lined up in an orderly fashion and got on the Ark. Geez! If you're gonna ask a questions like this, please do your research first! :D


Did the animals arriving at the ark from other continents and remote islands come by cargo ship or were they just really very good swimmers? :P


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24 May 2014, 4:56 pm

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I wish Noah had defleaed and checked the animals for ticks.


I'm sure Noah made space for a pair of ticks on his ark too. :P


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24 May 2014, 5:33 pm

Misslizard wrote:
I wish Noah had defleaed and checked the animals for ticks.


The mission was to preserve every species. Including species of ticks, and fleas.



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24 May 2014, 5:40 pm

TallyMan wrote:
Misslizard wrote:
I wish Noah had defleaed and checked the animals for ticks.


I'm sure Noah made space for a pair of ticks on his ark too. :P


Yeah, not only could he not get rid of them, but he had to get two of every kind. At least that's my interpretation of God's command. God did not say, Get two of every kind of animal, except for the really annoying ones! Noah probably could have kicked the cockroaches off and they still would have survived!

I make fun of it, but I actually really love the Bible - I stopped taking it literally long before I stopped believing in God.

But Tallyman as to your question - my mom would say - "I don't know, shut up!"



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24 May 2014, 6:16 pm

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1- How did one man construct such an enormous vessel, with such short notice considering that a large team of men wouldn't have been able to?

He didn't do it alone. His sons, his wife, and his sons' wives also went on the ark with Noah. So I think it is safe to assume that they helped build the ark too. Also, the Bible does not say how long it took them to do it. I think that it could be possible for such a group of people to build an ark in 50 years. I mean, it's sounds pretty crazy but I think it's logically possible to build an ark.

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4- What did those predatory creatures eat for the duration of the journey if he could only take 2 of every species?

He would have brought food with him. There seems to be no mention of the number of dead animals he could bring.

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3- How did Noah convince the big cats and other predatory animals like polar bears not to eat the other species that he had saved?

On separate decks?

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24 May 2014, 8:36 pm

I bet the deck with the wasps,ants and spiders was lively.Wonder who's job it was to collect the hornets nest. :D Did bring two tapeworms?'cause one would do.


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