Basic Income is the only guarantee for liberty!
Kraichgauer
Veteran
Joined: 12 Apr 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 48,421
Location: Spokane area, Washington state.
13 Jun 2014, 10:26 pm
RunningFox wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
RunningFox wrote:
Being dependent on a government or any other institution for income is actually the opposite of liberty, it is economic slavery.
I dont get my liberties from the government or from any one else, they are innate and inalienable. The right to own property is just one of them, but it is one of the biggest. Anyone who tries or does disable my rights and freedom is in fact going against the government its self and breaking the law, even if it the government its self that does so.
I dont get my liberties from the government or from any one else, they are innate and inalienable. The right to own property is just one of them, but it is one of the biggest. Anyone who tries or does disable my rights and freedom is in fact going against the government its self and breaking the law, even if it the government its self that does so.
But being dependent on Big Corporations thinking only on profits, not having to stand in front of the people during the time of election, for income, is NOT
economic slavery?!?!?
I trust private corporations as much as you trust government.
Problem is, todays governments are in the hands of the private corporations.
We must first ensure that the people actually got a say, but not neccessarily democracy. It should be a Dictatorship of the Proletariat, handing out free money to the people,
in return, the people should not criticise the government too much. Except in case the government wants to impose duties on the people.
Rights are better than duties. Todays corporationalism, is all about giving duties to the people, and limit our rights. It should be the other way around.
It should be pointed out that it's corporations that are keeping wages artificially low, while are hiking up prices, thereby keeping more and more Americans in poverty, destroying equality, and with it liberty.
They have no effect on what I charge for my own goods and the profits I make. If you decide to go to work for them of your own free will you are accepting to do it for what ever they pay you. I get pretty good wholesale prices from a few corporations that let me sell my work at a monetary advantage to my self.
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
RunningFox wrote:
Being dependent on a government or any other institution for income is actually the opposite of liberty, it is economic slavery.
I dont get my liberties from the government or from any one else, they are innate and inalienable. The right to own property is just one of them, but it is one of the biggest. Anyone who tries or does disable my rights and freedom is in fact going against the government its self and breaking the law, even if it the government its self that does so.
I dont get my liberties from the government or from any one else, they are innate and inalienable. The right to own property is just one of them, but it is one of the biggest. Anyone who tries or does disable my rights and freedom is in fact going against the government its self and breaking the law, even if it the government its self that does so.
Let's think about this for a second. Are you saying everyone has the right to freedom? What if your freedom imposes on another's? Who has the right then? You or they?
People are able to do what ever the they want as long as they are not hurting some one or some thing else.
thomas81 wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
I rather like that idea. For all the talk today among conservatives about fear of government overreach, the founders themselves had also feared the greatest threat to liberty was inequality.
I'm not talking about equality here. I'd rather have an inequal but safe and comfortable society, than a society where everybody are equal - and as such, has the equal duties.
Human labour is over valued
No its not. If I have a skill or an ability to create something I can charge as much as people are willing to pay for it. It is impossible for it to be over valued, it can only be as valuable as what everyone else is willing to spend on it. If I have an exceptional skill or talent with a service that matches it I deserve to be paid more for it. You can cheap out and spend 300$ on a wedding photographer if you want to, you will not get great results and your friends will ask why the wedding photos are so bad. Its basic economics. Trying to force it to be something else has only ever failed.
Maybe big business has no effect on you, since you've run your own business, but that's not the case for employees working for a minimum wage that they can't live on. And no, it's not just as simple as going out and finding another job - not when paying starvation wages is practiced by every company, and who purposely employ as few workers as possible. It's not just a matter of making a conscious choice of working for a particular company, since after all, what is a worker going to do instead of working for said company when there are no other available alternatives? Starve? And while I am genuinely happy for you that you've had the opportunity to start your own company, not everyone can, and not everyone wants to. There isn't anything wrong with working for someone else, and they shouldn't be treated as if there is.
_________________
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
