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Kitsune, you can't expect to have a reasonable debate if you keep refusing to acknowledge other viewpoints. So far, all you've done in this thread is to declare your own beliefs as the only valid ones, and whether you believe it or not that's a lot more offensive than anything anyone else has said here.
If you've ignored the proofs I've offered then it is your own problem, a debate is defending and clarifying your point of view, and attempting to change another's, is it not? Good. If you'd like to play the offense game, we can go rounds somewhere else. Otherwise, don't post unless you have something constructive to say.
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It was not your signature I was taking issue with Kitsune, it is the way that you have been insisting that we are all hellbound sinners, passing judgement on the lifestyles and beliefs of others, and insisting that we all read the Bible if we disagree. I have no intention of consulting someone else's Bronze Age manual to being a person before making a moral decision. And as far as I am aware, the Bible was written by humans unless you know otherwise. I refuse to accept its legitimacy for the same reason you defend it; you believe in the Judeo-Christian God and that the Bible is divinely inspired, I do not, although I am not an atheist.
I stated ONCE that you were going to hell, I have not been repeatedly saying that as you have heard it enough. No, *I* don't pass judgement on others but I WILL use the bible to check other lifestyles to form my own opinions on them.
If you're not going to read a tried and true manual on life, book of predictions, and God's word, then you really shouldn't be posting here. If you are not defending YOUR viewpoint WHILE attacking mine, then you are not debating, you are simply piddlefarting around.
Yes, divine inspiration, let me get you some links on that.
http://www.icr.org/bible/bhta2.htmlNote the word scribe.
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If parents know they will have a child who is physically or mentally disabled they have a personal right to not have it.
You would allow yourself to be killed?
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Before a child is born, before it is even conceived it belongs to its parents
DHS seizures say otherwise, a human life belongs to nobody except God.
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therefore the parents have a natural duty to decide whether they want to keep the child or not. Not everyone who knows their child is going to be disabled will want to have an abortion or avoid having a child but forcing people to have a child they don't want is quite obviously more damaging than killing it before it is out of the womb since the child will have to live with being unloved.
Adoption, and the brain is an amazing object that, through therapy, can cut new grooves to compensate for the grooves that weren't originally there or don't work right. I'm not going to go into it as I'm no neurologist (Interesting field of science) but I'd rather be unloved and alive so that I had a chance of making something of myself then being killed before I could speak to defend myself.
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However, I'm not advocating the spread of fear among people about having children who aren't NT or categorized as healthily average. I think people should be given as much relevant information as is needed to make an informed decision, and statistical as well as anecdotal evidence of what it is like living as a person who has the same form of medical condition their child has.
So, what you're saying is that abortion is merciful? God chooses the hour of death. The soul is in the body at conception. At the very least raise the baby artificially.
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As much positive information should be given as possible with reference to how a disability doesn't necessarily ruin a life and how it can enhance it but some disabilities are more debilitating than others, and ultimately to my mind the fairest policy is to allow the parents to decide for themselves.
Do your parents make all your choices for you? Do your parents control your body? No, YOU do. I know people with mental retardation that live successful lives.
www.petsandpeople.org I believe it is, is a service dog training organization with many people in it, from MS to bi-polar. I'm sure that if you went up and asked someone who was completely paralyzed if they wanted to live, and if they could respond, they would say yes.
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When abortion isn't legal it only means it's being done on the black market and criminals are making money out of it. Females become pregnant by being raped or accidentally because birth control has failed to work which provides a constant demand for abortions.
Rape is NOT as widespread as you think. While it is one of the most revolting sins, my mother has two friends who bore the child.
Good, if it's on the black market then they will be known as the murderers they are. By the way, the black market isn't as big as you think, it's more of an illusion.
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The world population is also very high and if there were less children born in prosperous countries then more immigrants from countries where there are abject poverty and tyrannical regimes could move in - isn't helping the unfortunate meant to be one of the highest priorities of a Christian?
First off,
http://www.summit.org/resource/essay/sh ... 29d1eee6f8To get the particuler point across,
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if all the earth's 5.3 billion inhabitants were magically transplanted onto American soil, our nation would still have a population density 7% less than Taiwan and 24% less than Bangladesh. If the entire population of earth were restricted to Texas alone, that state would have a population density only 30% that of Macau. Our forests and croplands are not under seige.
Second off, YES, we are mandated to love one another by Christ, so we help others as much as we can. This also means, by loving one another, that we try to bring people to Christ's love. I find the apolegetics involved with the bible are VERY interesting and that is my main debating point.
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