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Take a look again at what happened to the bids to exploit oil fields in Iraq (for example). You will realise that the U.S. actually won only 1 or 2 bids, and that all the other oil fields bids were won by many other countries, Russia and Japan among others. If we actually wanted to steal the resources like you said, we would have, but we didn't, we had to bid to exploit oil fields just like all other countries.

Haha, wish I'd written that.

We were stupid enough to train Bin Laden, in Georgia to use our technology and techniques to fisght a common enemy, then he figured out we were using an exploiting him to rob his own people. You dont screw with the honor of honorable people. The United States is not an honorable people. we just talk about homour because we were raised on John Wayne and Robert Duval. We backstabbed and betrayed our frenemy, many times over and played them all against each other for our own bebnefit, screw the collateral damage. They are all just desert towelheads after all. 4 billion to 40o0 million are not good odds, especially when they are more devoted than we are, and more unified.. You dont swat an angry tiger on the head with a flyswatter to kill a fly. Every action has aconsequence. Some consequences may take decades, some may take centuries, but eventually, karma ALWAYS leaves its mark

If you believe all that "bidding" pony show, you are a rube. That was a performance, for the world stage. You are young. You will see. Everyone, no matter how strong and badass, eventally meats their maker. Especially when they spend lifetimes teaching their enemies the fundamentals and advanced technology of evil. It will bit you. I will be long gone by then.

With all due respect, anyone who is ignorant enough to think he cannot be brought down or beaten is a fool.

Its not that I "believe it", it is an actual fact, look at the companies who won the bids, which companies are exploiting which oil fields, and check who owns these companies. The majority of them are Russian, Japanese, Chinese, etc.. The U.S. won 2 bids or so (could be 1 to 3 since last time I checked), and is exploiting only these oil fields, and they are not the biggest oil fields either. If we wanted to "steal" them as you said, we would have declared a full fledged war, conquered this country as in the "good ole days", and all these oil fields would be ours, period. But they are not.

I agree only with the 1st part of the 1st sentence. We provided weapons to help in his fight against Russia, whether he "robbed" his own people is his own doing. To talk of "honorable people" when you speak of a man who intentionally murdered thousands of innocent people, including children, is amazing to me, this man was a murderer. There is a difference between our soldiers who fought according to the rules of engagement, and did their best not to kill innocent people, while these guys have done the exact opposite, they targeted innocent people intentionally, including children, and including Muslims (many moderate Muslims are also victims of these terrorist groups, contrary to what you seem to believe, the majority of Muslims do not like them, they fear them). By the way, you sound very hateful, generalising, and calling the whole United States "not honourable people", while generalising about other people the same way (I am guessing we are speaking especially about Iraq and Afghanistan?), as if they were all "honourable people". There is good and bad people everywhere, in every country. Personally I would rather live here than in a country where they still stone people to death.

Could it be they, who are facing their karma right now, after fighting and murdering each other for hundreds of years, after conquering other countries (like Iran among others, where people were forced to become Muslims, or leave, or risk getting killed - zhoroastrians, which was the original religion in Iran, do not even have the same human rights as Muslims in Iran, and this is happening right now, in the present), murdering millions of people. You are blaming America for everything, but how can you blame us for their own fights that have been going on for hundreds of years!! ! You have this romantic perception of these groups, or countries in general, as if everyone there were "honorable people", and you are wrong. Also, women are 2nd class citizens in most these countries, and are treated like s**t, beaten, and sometimes even murdered. You wouldn't believe the rate of suicide among women in these countries. Also ask the teenagers who were murdered about a year or 2 ago (or their families I guess since they are dead), by Taliban men, who decided that they should die because they were having a party and dancing, how "honorable" they think these men are.

I am so tired of people blaming the U.S., which is a very "young" country compared to all the countries in Europe, Asia, and the Middle-East, for everything bad that happens in the world, while wars have been going on for thousands of years, when America (as the U.S.) didn't even exist.

By the way, right now there is people in Iraq asking the U.S. to intervene and stop these groups ... I hope we don't, because once more, we will be blamed for everything and every single death, including people who will have been victims of these groups. Same goes for Syria. And we shouldn't have helped overthrow Gaddafi in Libya either. Its just completely useless, many of our soldiers (and allies) died, while they will continue fighting each other, as they have been for hundreds of years (thousands actually, long before even Muhammad), the more we stay away from them, the better it is.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-destru ... te/5386998

The video does mention that it is found in an hadith, but she seems to neglect to mention that the Hadith in question is considered unreliable.

I am not calling bin laden "honorable'. US has killed little children too. Murdered them in fact. I am saying that killing another human being in a way that they have no chance to defend themself is dishonourable. Shooting a missle into someones bedroom window fom 300 miles away is cowardly. And the more of this that goes on, the more bloody, violent and brutal the consequences will be in the future, but its too late now. The proverbial die has been cast.

No, they didn't murder them. There is a difference between "collateral damage" during a war, and actually targeting innocent people, including children. There is indeed innocent victims, but our soldiers never intentionally target innocent people, contrary to the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and other similar groups. Watch the movie Lone survivor, it is a true story. Many of our soldiers got killed that way, because they refused to shoot if civilians were too close to terrorists.

Very funny how you call "shooting a missile into someone's bedroom window from 300 miles away" cowardly ... yet you are ok with acts of terrorism against America. American soldiers are not cowards, the cowards are the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and other groups, who intentionally hide behind civilians, and intentionally target these civilians, including children. Recently, after Assange provided the world with top secret information, a 7 year old boy (among many others) was tortured and killed by the Taliban because his grandfather gave information to US soldiers about terrorists. Enough with your "honor" BS about these guys, they are a bunch of dictators and murderers, people cannot live free under their rule, and most Afghans (and Iraqis and Pakistanis, etc) don't like them, they are afraid of them. Have you forgotten Malala??????

And it is just amazing to me how you ignore all the wars started by Muslims, for hundreds and hundreds of years, all the countries in the Middle-East who were not Muslim at all but were invaded by Muslims and forced to become Muslim countries after this, and the millions of people who were murdered by them through history. It is they, who are facing their karma, it is they who are facing the consequences of their actions.

But obviously you haven't heard of all the people, among them many women and young girls, who were happy about our military presence over there, and who had been able to go to school and get an education because of this, which is something they were not allowed to do under Taliban rule. Let's ignore these people, they don't fit in the "America big bad guys" rhetoric.

It seems you are hoping for a full fledged war with these countries. If so, you are stupid.

The U.S is playing out a second cold war against Russia/China and desperately trying to maintain its superpower status. To achieve its strategic advantage, the U.S both empowers and disempowers Islamic fanatics as the situation warrants. Islamic fanatics are pawns in a geopolitical chess game.

In so far as some theists intolerant views make living peacefully with others impossible, that needs to be dealt with, but not with bombs and angry rhetoric. With kindness, and a secular education and positive reinforcement from the culture. Bashing all muslims, aside from making you an as*hole, just pushes muslims away from secularisation.

My fear is that as the west moves ever closer to a globalised police state, we will lose a lot of those factors which traditionally have encouraged immigrants to try to integrate. Be honest, who in their right mind would want to be a part of what we are becoming?

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Civil wars in the Middle-East have been going on for hundreds of years, its nothing new, I understand why you would believe that its all the big bad America's fault, but it was happening long before America (as the U.S.) even existed, long before any "west movie" was ever made, and it will continue for God knows how long.

And you can't deal with terrorists and extremists with kindness, it simply does not work, they will not change their mind because you kindly ask them to, and they refuse education, especially for women. There is no "black & white" for them, either you follow their rules, or you die. You can try to negotiate certain things tho (like Pakistan who are trying to negotiate a truce and territories boundaries with the Taliban), but it is very difficult, and if you live under their rule you don't have a choice. Ask Malala (she's a Muslim too by the way), a young girl who was shot in the head (and other girls who were with her in the school bus were also shot) by Taliban men simply because she was advocating education for girls.

Moderate Muslims are very different from this, they are more like Malala, not at all like Al Qaeda, and in countries where they are moderate women are also allowed to go to college and practice sports (in Iran for example, eventho of course there is still progress to be done for women's rights and human rights in general). However, it is very difficult for moderate Muslims to stand up against terrorists and extremists, because they get threatened and even killed. On the other hand there is some people who are very courageous, and this is what is happening right now in Iraq, civilians are actually fighting back, they are more courageous than many Iraqi soldiers (not all of course) who were too afraid to fight back, and some of them even joined the extremists. Have a thought for these civilians, I fear it will not end well, especially considering how well organised the extremists are, but I hope for the best for them, they are at this point where they refuse to continue living in fear and are willing to risk their life for freedom. (p.s. you probably know this but Saddam Hussein was a Sunni Muslim, but he was a moderate - religiously speaking)