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26 Feb 2007, 11:51 pm

I've met a black Jew. It's a religion first.



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27 Feb 2007, 12:19 am

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27 Feb 2007, 5:08 am

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A gas planet?!

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28 Feb 2007, 7:10 pm

skafather84 wrote:
and tear down the state of israel...it's not a legitimate country. it's a result of a theft.


Which nations are legitimate in your opinion? If every displaced people in the world “returned home” the entire world would be at war, so why do people focus so strongly on Israel?

I think a lot of people actually believe there was once an Arab state called Palestine where Israel now stands. Well, it never existed. Before the foundation of Israel, Palestine was a League of Nations mandated territory under British administration, and Jews had been living there as well as Arabs long before World War 2. If the Jews took the land from anyone, they took it from the British, and the British don’t want it back. What’s more, the Balfour Declaration had become binding international law once the League of Nations had made it part of their mandate.

Also, I think anti-Israel feeling has a lot to do with the antipathy people are encouraged to feel towards the idea of an ethnic basis for nationhood, and the fact that Israel is such a striking embodiment of this idea. But why should people feel that way? Ethnically-based nation states have been the norm throughout history. In a historical context, it is the modern multicultural West that is unusual.

To be fair, if Israel as an ethno-state is often vilified by the cultural marxists and international socialists in the West, it seems it’s sometimes vilified by ethno-nationalists as well, strangely. I think this is down to the contrast between “Jewish ethnocentrism” as embodied by Israel and the role Jews have played in the West promoting multicultural causes at the expense of majority populations. And then there’s the influence of the pro-Israel lobby in the States of course.

I understand the media in the U.S. is very pro-Israel. In Britain it’s mostly anti-.



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28 Feb 2007, 7:40 pm

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It is not the case that Jews are managing to remain isolated today around the world, precisely the opposite. Jewish intermarriage with non-Jews (usually Christians or nominally Christian) in the United States is incredibly high. Also, the children of those mixed couples are much more likely then not to be raised Christian.

This is somewhat understandable since Christianity is the dominant religion in the United States and Judaism is only in the single percentile digits. Parents want their children to be part of a larger community rather then a more isolated one.


Perhaps, statistically speaking, that's what parents in interracial marriages usually choose for their children. Perhaps not. I don’t really know. I imagine though that there are quite a few parents out there in interracial marriages not exactly overjoyed at seeing their child reject their (the parent’s) heritage in favour of their spouse’s.

As for the children themselves, I don’t have firm evidence, but as far as I can see, people of mixed ancestry in the U.S. or Britain tend to identify more with the minority side. For example, it seems to be pretty common for people who are half black and half white to identify themselves as black.
(Although the situation with Jews would be slightly different. For one thing, it's less easy to tell if a half white person is also half-Jewish than if they are also half-black. And then there's the whole business about Jewish law saying how only a child born to a Jewish mother can be a Jew.)

I think the liberal establishment tends to encourage this feeling. We are constantly told how wonderful “diversity” is, and it’s always diversity at the expense of the majority. As far as I can see, since WASPs in America don’t “contribute to diversity”, they are encouraged to feel like they are nothing.

I can say with more certainty that this is the case with the English in Britain. And I say this as someone of Irish and Welsh (but zero English AFAIK) ancestry. I think a lot of Irish/Welsh/Scots have been taken in by anti-majority propaganda. It annoys me how much Irish/Welsh/Scots pride is really just anti-English sentiment.



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28 Feb 2007, 8:01 pm

codarac wrote:
As for the children themselves, I don’t have firm evidence, but as far as I can see, people of mixed ancestry in the U.S. or Britain tend to identify more with the minority side.

Yes, and I believe you unintentionally provided a good explanation for this:
codarac wrote:
As far as I can see, since WASPs in America don’t “contribute to diversity”, they are encouraged to feel like they are nothing.


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01 Mar 2007, 4:58 am

codarac wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
and tear down the state of israel...it's not a legitimate country. it's a result of a theft.


Which nations are legitimate in your opinion? If every displaced people in the world “returned home” the entire world would be at war, so why do people focus so strongly on Israel?

I think a lot of people actually believe there was once an Arab state called Palestine where Israel now stands. Well, it never existed. Before the foundation of Israel, Palestine was a League of Nations mandated territory under British administration, and Jews had been living there as well as Arabs long before World War 2. If the Jews took the land from anyone, they took it from the British, and the British don’t want it back. What’s more, the Balfour Declaration had become binding international law once the League of Nations had made it part of their mandate.

Also, I think anti-Israel feeling has a lot to do with the antipathy people are encouraged to feel towards the idea of an ethnic basis for nationhood, and the fact that Israel is such a striking embodiment of this idea. But why should people feel that way? Ethnically-based nation states have been the norm throughout history. In a historical context, it is the modern multicultural West that is unusual.

To be fair, if Israel as an ethno-state is often vilified by the cultural marxists and international socialists in the West, it seems it’s sometimes vilified by ethno-nationalists as well, strangely. I think this is down to the contrast between “Jewish ethnocentrism” as embodied by Israel and the role Jews have played in the West promoting multicultural causes at the expense of majority populations. And then there’s the influence of the pro-Israel lobby in the States of course.

I understand the media in the U.S. is very pro-Israel. In Britain it’s mostly anti-.


israel was a mismanagement by the brittish...as they had done a few times before....say like...with taiwan (a place i believe should be independent from china). israel was forcibly willed into existance after the second world war and unfortunately the power went to the zionists who are a militant group that tend to be as much of supremecists as many of the terrorists who are islamic supremecists or at the least anti-semetic.



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01 Mar 2007, 6:28 am

codarac wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
and tear down the state of israel...it's not a legitimate country. it's a result of a theft.


Which nations are legitimate in your opinion? If every displaced people in the world “returned home” the entire world would be at war, so why do people focus so strongly on Israel?



Goddamn. It's about time somebody said that.

I also like what you said about mixed racial people usually claiming the most minority ancestry. That is so true. White people down here are always claming to be Cherokee, or at the very least, Irish (when they have Anglo surnames for example), at the expense of the WASPs. It's pretty rare for someone to show pride in being English (which I do, even though I am of limited ancestry) because of their historical reputation. There's more than one side to that coin, though...