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06 Aug 2014, 1:20 am

I don't want to once again waste time arguing in circles over a topic that I'm only mildly interested in.
But I will say this - those old west towns that had strict gun control had a hell of a lot less violence than those that didn't. And that is historic fact.

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06 Aug 2014, 1:47 am

He was also in an idiot for letting his wife use him for an emotive agenda.

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06 Aug 2014, 2:09 am

The guy got shot in the head by a lunatic (who wanted to impress a lesbian movie actress who was a child when staring in the movie). I think the Bradys had reason for becoming activists, regardless if you believe in their cause.

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06 Aug 2014, 8:08 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

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Former Reagan press secretary, who had turned the tragedy of his near fatal shooting during the attempt on the President's life into a crusade for gun safety and accountability, has died at age 74. God speed, Jim.

Why don't you just come clean and admit that you're an anti instead of always tap dancing around it?

This

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Because I'm not antigun ownership;

Contradicts this

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I just think if you're going to own a tool meant to take life, then you ought to jump through all the hoops necessary to demonstrate that you're qualified as a mentally stable, law abiding citizen.

So explain how these regulations you propose (or the lack of them) has affected what you're trying to protect us all from. What you propose is the traditional hallmark of the antigunner.

But to go further back, you seemed to think all a gun is good for is to go ?bang? which is further in contradiction to ?a tool meant to take life?.

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Well, making a gun go bang bang is all I can figure a gun is good for. As I'm not a gun aficionado, anything else escapes me.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postxf254668-0-105.html

If you?re going to insist on being so intellectually dishonest at least be consistent.

It's not intellectually dishonest to say that I'm not antigun and still think the only use they have is to go "bang." What else are you going to use them for, a can opener?
And incidentally, I have absolutely no problem with people shooting for recreation, or owning one for home defense. But as guns are deadly weapons, it's not too much to ask those who purchase them go through the background checks to weed out criminals and the mentally ill.

Right there you do it again. One second you say the only thing they are useful for is to go "bang" (i.e. a noise maker) then in the next second go on to call them deadly weapons. Time and time again you've taken the anti-gun stance only to concede later that it's BS, but a few weeks later you're right back to your liberal default setting of gunz-r-bad. To summarise; you're arguing a point you know to be wrong only to further your agenda. Guess what term goes with that description? Hint: Intellectual dishonesty. It's either that or you're intentionally sowing discord and you know what the word for that is......

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06 Aug 2014, 8:45 am

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I don't want to once again waste time arguing in circles over a topic that I'm only mildly interested in.

Really?
1. You started this thread knowing what you were in store for. How many threads have we had like this over the years for you to learn from?
2. You've repeatedly taken the anti-gun stance and if anything you've become more vocal about it over the years. You don't have to actually say you're anti-gun to be anti-gun. If you want gun laws or additional gun laws with no supporting rationale you're an anti. If it quacks like a duck then it's a duck.
If you want the laws then the monkey is on your back to rationalise them. Hint: I want, I think, that's how they do it in East Slobovia, and just do it for the children are not acceptable rationale for the passage of laws.

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But I will say this - those old west towns that had strict gun control had a hell of a lot less violence than those that didn't. And that is historic fact.

Yeah, like a gang riding in to rob the bank or the railroad's payroll or to kill some people would stop to check in their guns first. :roll:

Gun control is what it's always been; a malevolent folly with ineffective results.
Did you know that in the post civil war south they had what were called "black codes" and "Jim Crow laws" that contained anti-gun provisions aimed at disarming blacks, therefor leaving them vulnerable to tyranny? One of the biggest (maybe the biggest) fallacies of liberals is their stubborn insistence on clinging to gun control knowing its malevolent history and intent.

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06 Aug 2014, 9:09 am

I'll bundle these two.

Dillogic wrote:

He was also in an idiot for letting his wife use him for an emotive agenda.

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I can't place too much blame on Jim Brady himself since being shot in the head literally scrambled his brains and left him in a pliable state. He was not an anti-gunner before being shot but his wife is on record for being so. All his being shot in the head did was make him grist for the mill to greatly expand and formalize her agenda with him to prop up as a poster boy. The agenda of The Brady Center (formerly known as Handgun Control Incorporated or HCI) has always been about disarmament, not safety. Any idiot can look at their website and research their history and conclude that they are not nor have ever been about safety. I can teach you more off of memory about gun safety that the Brady gang ever thought of in its history. Contrary to media fed belief, the NRA is actually your best one-stop shopping source for genuine gun safety education.

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06 Aug 2014, 11:41 am

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I want, I think, that's how they do it in East Slobovia, and just do it for the children are not acceptable rationale

Amusing, considering this is pretty much all that your arguments consist of.

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06 Aug 2014, 12:25 pm

Raptor, Raptor, Raptor...
Guns do go bang. That's an undeniable fact.
Black codes and Jim Crow were a shameful means of enforcing discrimination - but that was the south, while I was using the west as an example.
When a gang came riding in to rob a bank, the best thing to do was to cooperate as bank personnel and other citizens do today, or else you'd have a shooting gallery with possibly innocent people getting hurt. The only two cases I can think of where there was armed resistance to the robbers was the James gang robbery of the Northfield Minnesota bank, and when the Dalton gang got the hairbrained idea they could rob two banks simultaneously in Oklahoma - and in both cases, it wasn't a random shooting gallery, but a preplanned, organized ambush.
I chose to write this thread, believe it or not, to commemorate the passing of a man who had turned tragedy into activism.
And as far as Brady's brain being scrambled to the point that his wife took advantage of him - I'm sure James Brady would have had words with you concerning that matter.

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06 Aug 2014, 9:35 pm

Kraichgauer, Kraichgauer, Kraichgauer...
- If they're only good for (like you DID say) going "BANG" then they can't very well be deadly weapons. To kill people they would have to be useful for that purpose which takes more than going bang. You can't backslide out of this now.

- I intended the note about the gun control part of the black codes and Jim Crow laws to point out the anti-civil rights history of gun control. I thnk you know that but have elected not to acknowledge it since to do so would be going against the liberal narrative on the subject.

- My idea of dealing with bank robberies is not to cower on the floor like sheep hoping and praying that the robbers don't start shooting based only on the fact that the robbers in the last few robberies didnt turn it into a massacre the past few times. The way to even help keep banks from being robbed at gunpoint is to make them hard targets (a term you'll undoubtedly elect not to comprehend) and deter robberies that way. Peace through strength.

- Brady didn't turn diddly into activism. His old lady expanded on her pre-existing anti-gun agenda by using him. Without him and his misfortune she'd be just another shrill anti-gun hag without much of an audience. His taking a bullet in the noggin was a godsend to her. Not only can he be held up as an example for the weak minded but in his mentally handicapped state it couldn't have taken much work on her part to get him to go along with her, hook, line, and sinker. Really, this isn't rocket science.

- As for Jim Brady having words for me just telling it how it is; yes, guys who are pussywhipped tend to take offense to the truth on that. He has an excuse, being brain-shot, but he'd probably still take exception to that charge. I'm sure you've been around a group of guys and one of them casually uses the term "pussywhipped" and some other guy gets all vocally butthurt about it. 9 times out of 10 (conservaive estimate because it's probably more like 999 times out of 1000) he's whipped and is sensitive about it. Of course, by taking issue with the use of that term he's just identified himself as being whipped and will never live it down. I've seen it before.

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06 Aug 2014, 9:40 pm

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I want, I think, that's how they do it in East Slobovia, and just do it for the children are not acceptable rationale

Amusing, considering this is pretty much all that your arguments consist of.

Yeah, like I've asked for the passage of gun laws.
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06 Aug 2014, 10:05 pm

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As I stated before, I didn't want to get sucked into the forever argument again; I just wanted to remember a man who - yes - turned tragedy and adversity into action. If being a good husband meant he was whipped, then so be it. Try getting shot in the head by a maniac, and I'll bet your opinions will change because of the experience.

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06 Aug 2014, 10:26 pm

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As I stated before, I didn't want to get sucked into the forever argument again; I just wanted to remember a man who - yes - turned tragedy and adversity into action.

You started this thread knowing how it would go. You made your bed now lie in it, in other words.

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If being a good husband meant he was whipped, then so be it.

Another one, huh..... :roll:

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Try getting shot in the head by a maniac, and I'll bet your opinions will change because of the experience.

Well, if I took a bullet in the brains that put me in a mentally compromised state and I had to go home to a shrill anti-gun hag I'd probably become an anti, too, by way of brainwashing. My reply was never damning of Jim Brady for becoming an anti but damning of his wife for being such an opportunist. That's all it was on either of them's part.
And no, taking a bullet does not an anti-gunner automatically make. To reiterate again; getting shot didnt make Brady an anti, it's the damage to his brain and having to live with who he had to live with in that weakened state that did it.
Really, how many times do we have to go around and around on this?

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06 Aug 2014, 10:34 pm

Again, and again, I did this thread to commemorate Brady's passing. You chose to make it into a lightening rod.
And how do you know Brady didn't change his opinions because of his near death experience? Traumatic experiences change people all the time. Ask anyone who's had to deal with you on WP. :lol:

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06 Aug 2014, 10:47 pm

^^Now he's going to preen thinking he may have traumatized someone.

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07 Aug 2014, 12:08 am

Well, more time he takes congratulating himself in the mirror, the less time I have to have this endless gun argument.

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