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03 Mar 2007, 3:41 pm

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The big question is why are the major religions against the act of homosexuality. Could it be down to the fact that from a religious point of view is that sex should only be done as reproduction and any sex that does not come into this category.

Or could there be more to this. It would be irresponsible to start changes rules without having a full scientific understanding of why they exist in the first place. Because religions follow the natural laws of evolution that the religions have to say should not completely be discounted as out of date and dogmatic.
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I allways thought those religions that opposed birth control and get their rocks off by suffering for God are infact doing the very thing evolution wants: mindless endless reproduction with no concern for suffering. I think both evolution and religion are cold
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03 Mar 2007, 6:54 pm

I'm for it. Love is love.

And furries aren't into beastiality,by the way.

Atleast,I'M not and neither are the others that I talk to.


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03 Mar 2007, 8:31 pm

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Marriage is not a religious topic. People can get married by a justice of the peace, or a judge, or a commissioner for marriages, without a hint of religion anywhere. (In fact, that is the only way I, as an atheist, would ever consent to get married.

The way the legislation is written in Canada, a church that is against gay marriage is under no obligation to perform one. And I have no quarrel with that. A Catholic priest would be allowed to refuse to conduct a marriage ceremony for me on the grounds that I am not a Catholic, for instance.


Why get married, then? Discount on "taxes?" Marriage, to an atheist, doesn't really have any meaning, does it? If you're together before, you're together afterwards.



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03 Mar 2007, 8:54 pm

banning gay marriage is unconstitutional and is biased against homosexuals. heterosexuals can enter into a legal agreement with regards to marriage but homosexuals can't? why not? the people who are against gay marriage won't be attending gay weddings anytime soon anyways...so it's not like as if it affects them. it'd be like me being against religious marriages and that all services should be secular....it doesn't affect me and so i don't seek legislation against it. i do, however, have a strong sense of altruism and so i empathize with the gay people who want marriage and i think they should be allowed.



and people who compare gay marriage to beastiality....go kill yourself. you're worthlessly stupid. comparing the act of two consenting adults who happen to be the same sex to having sex with an animal that doesn't even recognize itself rather less have any concept of love or need or use for the rights reserved by marriage...it's just dumb and bigoted and if you really are lacking brain power that much....do everyone else a favor and help keep the gene pool clean.



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03 Mar 2007, 8:55 pm

Corvus wrote:
Xenon wrote:
Marriage is not a religious topic. People can get married by a justice of the peace, or a judge, or a commissioner for marriages, without a hint of religion anywhere. (In fact, that is the only way I, as an atheist, would ever consent to get married.

The way the legislation is written in Canada, a church that is against gay marriage is under no obligation to perform one. And I have no quarrel with that. A Catholic priest would be allowed to refuse to conduct a marriage ceremony for me on the grounds that I am not a Catholic, for instance.


Why get married, then? Discount on "taxes?" Marriage, to an atheist, doesn't really have any meaning, does it? If you're together before, you're together afterwards.


marriage in the US is actually a legal contract between two people....it allows for certain rights, privileges, and, yes, it affects your taxes and your credit.



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03 Mar 2007, 9:00 pm

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Xenon wrote:
Marriage is not a religious topic. People can get married by a justice of the peace, or a judge, or a commissioner for marriages, without a hint of religion anywhere. (In fact, that is the only way I, as an atheist, would ever consent to get married.

The way the legislation is written in Canada, a church that is against gay marriage is under no obligation to perform one. And I have no quarrel with that. A Catholic priest would be allowed to refuse to conduct a marriage ceremony for me on the grounds that I am not a Catholic, for instance.


Why get married, then? Discount on "taxes?" Marriage, to an atheist, doesn't really have any meaning, does it? If you're together before, you're together afterwards.


Yes it all about equal rights to the same benfits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... _arguments



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04 Mar 2007, 8:24 am

hell no, it just doesnt seem natural to me and it goes against my religious beliefs. 2 men married, thats just icky eww.



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04 Mar 2007, 10:31 am

skafather84 wrote:
Corvus wrote:
Xenon wrote:
Marriage is not a religious topic. People can get married by a justice of the peace, or a judge, or a commissioner for marriages, without a hint of religion anywhere. (In fact, that is the only way I, as an atheist, would ever consent to get married.

The way the legislation is written in Canada, a church that is against gay marriage is under no obligation to perform one. And I have no quarrel with that. A Catholic priest would be allowed to refuse to conduct a marriage ceremony for me on the grounds that I am not a Catholic, for instance.


Why get married, then? Discount on "taxes?" Marriage, to an atheist, doesn't really have any meaning, does it? If you're together before, you're together afterwards.


marriage in the US is actually a legal contract between two people....it allows for certain rights, privileges, and, yes, it affects your taxes and your credit.


Then, at that point, religion has 0 point in it. We can call "marriage" a "contract" and everyone can get married, gay or straight. This will help solve the problem of "who gets what" when it fails and ends in divorce. As well, since "marriage" is now only a "contract" it really has no REAL meaning.



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04 Mar 2007, 10:33 am

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Why get married, then? Discount on "taxes?" Marriage, to an atheist, doesn't really have any meaning, does it?


Sure it does. It's a recognition of a long-term commitment to a partnership. I know lots of atheists who got married. My own parents, for example. And one acquaintance of mine suggested that since marriage is a civil contract, what the churches do is actually "holy matrimony".

TheMachine1, thanks for the link. Very informative.

Religious objections to same-sex marriage are irrelevant since marriage is not an exclusively religious matter. If a religious body objects to same-sex marriage, they have the right to refuse to perform ceremonies. But a religious person objecting to same-sex marriage on religious grounds is no different than a religious person objecting to Sunday shopping on religious grounds. Here in Canada, we have both, and the skies haven't fallen.

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Then, at that point, religion has 0 point in it.


I agree completely. And that, IMO, is how things should be.


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04 Mar 2007, 10:57 am

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Sure it does. It's a recognition of a long-term commitment to a partnership. I know lots of atheists who got married. My own parents, for example. And one acquaintance of mine suggested that since marriage is a civil contract, what the churches do is actually "holy matrimony".


I figured thats what "I love you" meant. I dont really need a contract to say "I love you" and find the whole idea very "fake" and "forced." I am thinking I should write down OTHER things, then, if I need to prove my love through law. I dislike the idea of giving any tax benefit for someone who hooked up (the system is prejudice towards single people).

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I agree completely. And that, IMO, is how things should be.


100% agreed, as well.



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04 Mar 2007, 1:26 pm

From a practical stand point the religious voters in the US are not going to permit
gay marriage. But I think they would accept something with a different name that gave the same benefits.



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04 Mar 2007, 1:36 pm

I think both gay marriage and polygamy should be legalized. Though I'm against marrying animals/inanimate objects and children getting married.



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04 Mar 2007, 2:07 pm

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I figured thats what "I love you" meant. I dont really need a contract to say "I love you" and find the whole idea very "fake" and "forced."


There is a *HUGE* difference between "I love you" and "I want to send the rest of my life with you". Something on the order of the difference between just spending one night in a house vs. deciding to buy a house.

As for the tax system being biased in favour of single people: what planet do you live on? In both Canada and the US, married people can access tax breaks single people can't. If this was not the case, the drive towards legal sanction of same-sex marriage would have been much weaker. Scroll up a few posts and click on the link TheMachine1 posted if you don't believe me.


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04 Mar 2007, 5:17 pm

doesn't bother me at all.


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04 Mar 2007, 5:27 pm

Marriage is an outdated concept. But if straights are marrying, there's no reason why gays shouldn't be able to do the same. Still though marriage is an outdated concept, I don't need a piece of paper and a huge ceremony to tell a girl I love her if I should happen to meet Ms. Right some day.
I don't think gays should parent children, children need to have a strong male and female figure in their lives (mother and father). But gays have just as much right to the out-dated concept of marriage as anyone else in my eyes.



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04 Mar 2007, 5:38 pm

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I don't think gays should parent children, children need to have a strong male and female figure in their lives (mother and father).



not really...that's just a myth.


but it doesn't hurt that normally in a homosexual relationship, one person ends up being more masculine than the other...so that's technically almost a father figure...sorta.