Jesus Christ is Lord!

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Indeed.

OP the order of the universe as coming from a higher power makes "perfect sense" to you because you most likely know virtually nothing about the universe and how we know what we know about it. For starters your god is extremely wasteful, for instance are you aware that the human body is more efficient at turning mass into energy than stars, not to mention the mind numbingly big expanse of the universe, all to support one tiny planet and its life forms. All that effort to create the earth which when you look at it is rather chaotic.

You go on believing your nonsense and refusing to learn about the true wonders of nature, but please if you have kids don't lie to them, dont abuse their wonderful brains, dont pollute the wonders of nature and science in their brains. In short don't practice what I believe should be termed child abuse.

May god himself be damned.

If you don't believe in God then you do not believe in moral absolute truths. Because then truth because relative. If you say there is no love that created our world, then there is nothing good that can come out of it. But to be more open minded you can accept a possibility at least of God. How can you not? If you can say well there is no God- where is your proof? It makes sense t me that the Bible is an account of God intervening in the history of mankind.

Which are a direct result from the fall. If you understand how we were created, we were meant to live forever. Nothing cannot come from nothing. Which is why I believe that our construct is sort of an illusion. If you believe in mere matter- but where does matter come from- and so on? It cannot be derived from a single explosion. I actually used to believe in Evolution but then I opened my mind to other alternative theories, and discovered that Evolution is completely illogical and doesn't explain anything we need to know. I even believe in black holes. But it doesn't change my belief in Jesus Christ as Lord and that we are here with purpose of serving Him.

My brain now hurts.

The god of the bible personally murdered all but a fraction of the life on the planet. If it is an absolute truth that murder is wrong, the god of the bible must be evil... or, you know, fictional.



We created the concepts of good and evil as a tool for governing social behaviour and, as such, they are open to subjective interpretation.



I am capable of accepting the possibility of "God", subject to provision of suitable evidence.



Burden of proof on claimant, not on those who reject said claims, yadda yadda etc.



Explain why.

Where does God come from? If God can be eternal, then why not matter? Evolution is true (and eminently logical), if I end up believing you, do I have to give up knowledge of facts? You do know that a major Christian authority, the Pope, has acknowledged evolution? Why do you believe the Bible is correct?

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I'm an atheist, but it's a misconception that we say there can be no God. We (I) just don't believe in it because there is no evidence of it. If credible evidence should be presented, I would have no choice but to believe it.

You say that you believe in absolute moral truths and that the Bible describes them. What about slavery? The Bible says it's OK, but I happen to believe slavery is immoral. How about you?

You see this is where your attempt at logic fails. One does not believe in either Evolutionary Biology or The Singularity, you either accept or do not accept the evidence. But even this acceptance or otherwise is predicated upon actually understanding what it is you are deciding upon.

When it comes to the concept of nothing, first describe what nothing actually is? Because physics is now showing that something can indeed come from nothing. Particles pop in and out of existence all the time, in fact if they did not we would not be here.

You are approaching understanding based upon what is commonly known as intuition, or common sense. These prejudicial concepts are useless when trying to understand nature. For example the use of time as a fourth dimension as in spacetime has been extraordinarily successful in furthering our knowledge. But try as you might you will not be able to picture four dimensions, let alone the 11 that string theory seems to predict.

Lastly I would say that it would be near impossible for anyone with a scientific mind to state there is no god. You do not seem to understand that it is quite reasonable for anyone to say "I require evidence before I will even consider accepting a concept is potentially true". It is up to the person positing a concept to show evidence not the other way around.

As to morals, again can you actually give evidence that they are objective, I can certainly give pages of examples showing morals change with the current zeitgeist, and how morals have improved relative to biblical times.

^^^ What you post makes sense, but not to OP. He "got saved", which is a euphemism for throwing out reason and forgetting all empirical data concerning evolution and cosmology.

A dead Jew who became a Buddhist isn't a savior since he is dead and not coming back! There is no god and never will be! The world is over 4.5 billion years old, humans evolved from apes and dinosaurs existed just not side by side with man, Potassium argon dating proves this, NOT carbon dating!

^ This.

Here are the teachings of your loving God and his moral absolutes:



I've decided to take up the teachings of your god and go and besiege and murder the owners of the local cake shop; but I'm not sure if I should steal their cakes before or after killing them? Or should I take them as my slaves instead, all this is new to me, so I'm not sure on the correct order. What should I do with their children - the implication is rather unsavoury? The children own a puppy, do I need to slay that too?

I'm feeling a bit horny; so is it OK to abduct a virgin off the street on my way home from the cake shop and rape her, provided I force her to become my wife?:


Forget the abduction, I've found another solution. I've had a word with the cake shop owner and he's agreed to sell me his daughter as a sex slave as per your god's teachings. Apparently she is under guarantee too, so if she isn't very good in the sack I can send her back for a full refund:



The sex slave didn't work out very well; she refused my commands, so I had to beat her rather hard and unfortunately she died three days later. It was all her fault of course, I have nothing to reproach myself over, she was my property after all:


The moral absolutes of your god are quite *interesting*.

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