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16 Sep 2014, 7:23 pm

I swear, what a bunch of numbnuts to reply to an obviously inflammatory post.


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16 Sep 2014, 7:46 pm

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when a religious doctrine is proved wrong, religions won't change.


lol what? Religions change all the time. Literally all the time.

Fifty percent of Christians still believe the world is under 10,000 years old. I hold to my original point.



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16 Sep 2014, 8:03 pm

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I swear, what a bunch of numbnuts to reply to an obviously inflammatory post.

Honestly, what is NOT inflammatory to a Muslim?



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16 Sep 2014, 8:14 pm

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I swear, what a bunch of numbnuts to reply to an obviously inflammatory post.

If inflammatory means taking on the big controversial subjects then inflammatory is a good thing.
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16 Sep 2014, 9:09 pm

Cash__ wrote:
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when a religious doctrine is proved wrong, religions won't change.


lol what? Religions change all the time. Literally all the time.


Tell that to the religous and they will crucify you!
Literally all of the time crucify you!

"God never changes" according to the religious.

So neither can the revealed word of God. Don't you know THAT you godless heathen blaspheemer you!



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16 Sep 2014, 11:37 pm

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"God never changes" according to the religious.


Assuming you don't set yourself inside that camp, how can you be the one to set its standards?



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17 Sep 2014, 9:09 am

AspE wrote:
muslimmetalhead wrote:
I swear, what a bunch of numbnuts to reply to an obviously inflammatory post.

Honestly, what is NOT inflammatory to a Muslim?

Um . . .
The same things that are not inflammatory to a Christian, for the most part.


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17 Sep 2014, 9:22 am

sonofghandi wrote:
AspE wrote:
muslimmetalhead wrote:
I swear, what a bunch of numbnuts to reply to an obviously inflammatory post.

Honestly, what is NOT inflammatory to a Muslim?

Um . . .
The same things that are not inflammatory to a Christian, for the most part.

I doubt that.



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17 Sep 2014, 9:30 am

AspE wrote:
sonofghandi wrote:
AspE wrote:
muslimmetalhead wrote:
I swear, what a bunch of numbnuts to reply to an obviously inflammatory post.

Honestly, what is NOT inflammatory to a Muslim?

Um . . .
The same things that are not inflammatory to a Christian, for the most part.

I doubt that.


Evolution (often times), doubters the faith, non-believers having any authority, atheists, laws not based on that religion's teachings, those dismissive of their beliefs, those who make sweeping stereotypes based on the words/actions of a minority, persecution (real and imagined) being mistreated/insulted because of their faith, desecration of their holy symbols/texts, etc.

What exactly do you think upsets Muslims more than someone belonging to a different faith?


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17 Sep 2014, 1:19 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKNd_S3iXfs[/youtube]Heres a long video debate of science vs religion.


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17 Sep 2014, 2:43 pm

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What exactly do you think upsets Muslims more than someone belonging to a different faith?

Cartoons and apostasy.



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17 Sep 2014, 2:53 pm

Depends on what you want it for, doesn't it?

Science can tell me what is messed-up about me. It can tell me how it's messed-up, how it got messed-up, and how it would work if it weren't messed-up.

It cannot tell me why it's messed-up. All science can say is that it's hereditary, or bad luck, or an environmental toxin or collection thereof. Random. Whatever. It cannot supply me with a Big Why.

For that, I need philosophy, or religion.

Philosophy and religion can give me good whys that make me feel better (indeed, even not messed-up at all) or bad whys that make me feel even worse. But at least they can give me answers.

Science is probably more correct if you need data.

If you're looking for gestalt, or raison d'etre, or whatever word you prefer for what I call Big Why or "a reason to keep getting out of bed in the morning," then religion/philosophy is probably more likely to yield useful results.


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17 Sep 2014, 3:12 pm

YourMum wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
"God never changes" according to the religious.


Assuming you don't set yourself inside that camp, how can you be the one to set its standards?


Its THEIR words I'm quoting. So ask THEM!



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17 Sep 2014, 3:52 pm

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Depends on what you want it for, doesn't it?

Science can tell me what is messed-up about me. It can tell me how it's messed-up, how it got messed-up, and how it would work if it weren't messed-up.

It cannot tell me why it's messed-up. All science can say is that it's hereditary, or bad luck, or an environmental toxin or collection thereof. Random. Whatever. It cannot supply me with a Big Why.

For that, I need philosophy, or religion.

Philosophy and religion can give me good whys that make me feel better (indeed, even not messed-up at all) or bad whys that make me feel even worse. But at least they can give me answers.

Science is probably more correct if you need data.

If you're looking for gestalt, or raison d'etre, or whatever word you prefer for what I call Big Why or "a reason to keep getting out of bed in the morning," then religion/philosophy is probably more likely to yield useful results.


Religion can't tell you why. Having answers doesn't mean they are the right ones. Unless there is some method to ensure the answers are right, they are useless.

Philosophy is science. Science even used to be called Natural Philosophy. It uses logical systems to arrive at conclusions.



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18 Sep 2014, 6:46 am

AspE wrote:
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What exactly do you think upsets Muslims more than someone belonging to a different faith?

Cartoons and apostasy.


^So the outrage over Aaron McGruder's Black Jesus doesn't compare? How about the anger and hostility over the recent Noah's Ark movie?

And as for apostasy, do you know someone who grew up in an extremely religious household who became an atheist? If you have, ask them how their family likes their loss of faith. Quite likely it was not taken well.


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18 Sep 2014, 12:03 pm

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Apart from emphasizing introspection and knowing the nature of the self, science is far superior as a method for finding things out compared to religion. Religion is fossilized thought. Science has a proven historical track record of success. Contrary to popular opinion, many aspects of religion can and are studied by science. There is no subject off limits to science, not even the supernatural.

I agree with everything. None of what you say means religion isn't as important. The devil exists, God exists, and so does science. Knowledge being a school of thought as well as religion, I would think people would at least have a respect for spiritual beliefs by now.


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