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17 Oct 2014, 9:49 pm
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auntblabby wrote:
that poor misguided man in the photo 
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...... Are you saying he's stupid? I bet he knows more about the subject than you do.
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.....and support for the GOP=belief and support of the "trickle down" meme. it is a long-time part of their platform.
My voter ID card has an R on it only because I refuse to have one with a D on it.
do you not support the whole GOP party platform? and I did NOT say the S word, I said misguided, as his action is an insult to black folk who would be right to believe that the man does not particularly care for his fellow black folk.
17 Oct 2014, 9:56 pm
auntblabby wrote:
Raptor wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
that poor misguided man in the photo ......
...... Are you saying he's stupid? I bet he knows more about the subject than you do.
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.....and support for the GOP=belief and support of the "trickle down" meme. it is a long-time part of their platform.
My voter ID card has an R on it only because I refuse to have one with a D on it.
do you not support the whole GOP party platform?
I have my own "platform".
The GOP needs to flush some toilets and modernize itself if it wants to be a force to be reckoned with in the 21st century.
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and I did NOT say the S word, I said misguided, as his action is an insult to black folk who would be right to believe that the man does not particularly care for his fellow black folk.
So now you're saying he's an Uncle Tom.
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17 Oct 2014, 10:09 pm
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I have my own "platform". The GOP needs to flush some toilets and modernize itself if it wants to be a force to be reckoned with in the 21st century.
praise god.
but what would you do if they enacted all those things on their [unreconstructed] platform?Raptor wrote:
So now you're saying he's an Uncle Tom.
I did not say that, I merely observed that it is highly likely that his fellows would perceive him that way.
17 Oct 2014, 10:21 pm
auntblabby wrote:
Raptor wrote:
I have my own "platform". The GOP needs to flush some toilets and modernize itself if it wants to be a force to be reckoned with in the 21st century.
praise god.
Don't be too quick to praise. My "platform" is at least conservative leaning libertarian and my voter ID card still has a big old R on it.
Raptor wrote:
So now you're saying he's an Uncle Tom.
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I did not say that, I merely observed that it is highly likely that his fellows would perceive him that way.
Yes, the ones that feel the need to be offended would perceive him that way.
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18 Oct 2014, 5:56 am
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._K._Edgerton
And where did I say anything about "trickle down economics"? I could be mistaken but don't think I've ever championed that in these forums.
And where did I say anything about "trickle down economics"? I could be mistaken but don't think I've ever championed that in these forums.
And there are Nazi skinheads in Israel, believe it or not. My point being, one black guy dressing up in the uniform of the side in the Civil War that fought to keep his ancestors enslaved has the right to do so, but just like those Israeli skinheads, it just doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
18 Oct 2014, 6:34 am
18 Oct 2014, 8:46 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._K._Edgerton
And where did I say anything about "trickle down economics"? I could be mistaken but don't think I've ever championed that in these forums.
And where did I say anything about "trickle down economics"? I could be mistaken but don't think I've ever championed that in these forums.
And there are Nazi skinheads in Israel, believe it or not. My point being, one black guy dressing up in the uniform of the side in the Civil War that fought to keep his ancestors enslaved has the right to do so, but just like those Israeli skinheads, it just doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
Actually, free blacks (former slaves and others) fought notably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaves_an ... _Civil_War for both the U.S. Army and the C.S. Army. The C.S. Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaves_an ... onfederacy included many free blacks most notably as members of the 1st Louisiana Native Guard (CSA) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Louis ... _%28CSA%29 in battles. Consider that; black Americans who were free chose to enlist in defense of the Confederate States of America.
I wouldn't dare criticize anyone whose ancestors had served on either side of the Civil War (as I have ancestors who served both sides). In this case, H.K. Edgerton is celebrating his ancestors who supported the CSA. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison supported the constitutional right of states to nullify and interpose federal mandates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_ ... esolutions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullifica ... esolutions with Jefferson including, then retracting, his written support of the secession of Kentucky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_ ... esolutions as a way to resolve the federal conflict of his time. So, if Jefferson himself can consider logically the secession of a (future) southern state as a constitutional act, I can't complain about those among the CSA (including those who were free blacks) who found confidence in his suggestion and acted to resist what they saw as federal overreaching. I don't want federal "perfection" at the expense of unconstitutional acts.
In other words, the U.S. Civil War was much more complicated than a simple question of slavery, however repugnant it was. If Edgerton finds satisfaction with his Confederate ancestors' choices as much as I do with mine (and my earlier seven Revolutionary ancestors), then I would say only that I have more important things to do with my time than to criticize his motives and insult his intelligence.
18 Oct 2014, 11:39 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._K._Edgerton
And where did I say anything about "trickle down economics"? I could be mistaken but don't think I've ever championed that in these forums.
And where did I say anything about "trickle down economics"? I could be mistaken but don't think I've ever championed that in these forums.
And there are Nazi skinheads in Israel, believe it or not. My point being, one black guy dressing up in the uniform of the side in the Civil War that fought to keep his ancestors enslaved has the right to do so, but just like those Israeli skinheads, it just doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
Welcome to the pissing contest.
I just knew you couldn't stay away.
Anyhoo, you're looking at the War Between the States on a totally ideological perspective when it's unlikely that most of the actual participants did.
There were for a fact blacks in the armies of the Confederacy.
Therefore there would have been black veterans.
Therefore there are black descendants of Confederate veterans.
It should be obvious that those descendants of black Confederate veterans are not racist against their own race, but still acknowledging that they had men in their families that fought for the Confederacy during the War Between the States.
Did you know that H.K. Edgerton (in the picture) had been the president of the Asheville chapter of the NAACP?
The NAACP is hardly a haven for uncle toms or turncoats.
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18 Oct 2014, 3:27 pm
AspieUtah wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._K._Edgerton
And where did I say anything about "trickle down economics"? I could be mistaken but don't think I've ever championed that in these forums.
And where did I say anything about "trickle down economics"? I could be mistaken but don't think I've ever championed that in these forums.
And there are Nazi skinheads in Israel, believe it or not. My point being, one black guy dressing up in the uniform of the side in the Civil War that fought to keep his ancestors enslaved has the right to do so, but just like those Israeli skinheads, it just doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
Actually, free blacks (former slaves and others) fought notably https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaves_an ... _Civil_War for both the U.S. Army and the C.S. Army. The C.S. Army https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaves_an ... onfederacy included many free blacks most notably as members of the 1st Louisiana Native Guard (CSA) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_Louis ... _%28CSA%29 in battles. Consider that; black Americans who were free chose to enlist in defense of the Confederate States of America.
I wouldn't dare criticize anyone whose ancestors had served on either side of the Civil War (as I have ancestors who served both sides). In this case, H.K. Edgerton is celebrating his ancestors who supported the CSA. Thomas Jefferson and James Madison supported the constitutional right of states to nullify and interpose federal mandates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_ ... esolutions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullifica ... esolutions with Jefferson including, then retracting, his written support of the secession of Kentucky https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_ ... esolutions as a way to resolve the federal conflict of his time. So, if Jefferson himself can consider logically the secession of a (future) southern state as a constitutional act, I can't complain about those among the CSA (including those who were free blacks) who found confidence in his suggestion and acted to resist what they saw as federal overreaching. I don't want federal "perfection" at the expense of unconstitutional acts.
In other words, the U.S. Civil War was much more complicated than a simple question of slavery, however repugnant it was. If Edgerton finds satisfaction with his Confederate ancestors' choices as much as I do with mine (and my earlier seven Revolutionary ancestors), then I would say only that I have more important things to do with my time than to criticize his motives and insult his intelligence.
Most blacks in Confederate uniforms were slaves involuntarily following their masters. For those blacks who chose to fight for the CSA - perhaps they believed they would achieve greater social acceptance following the war. But as even the Confederate Vice President had said that putting blacks in uniform and arming them would would only disprove the white supremacy which they were fighting for, that made acceptance on a wide level unlikely.
As for Jefferson being the father of the Confederacy for originally supporting Kentucky's secession - you yourself even conceded he recanted that support.
Even if the Civil War had been about more than slavery, the fact that slavery was abolished because of a Union victory means the right side won.
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18 Oct 2014, 3:29 pm
Raptor wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Raptor wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._K._Edgerton
And where did I say anything about "trickle down economics"? I could be mistaken but don't think I've ever championed that in these forums.
And where did I say anything about "trickle down economics"? I could be mistaken but don't think I've ever championed that in these forums.
And there are Nazi skinheads in Israel, believe it or not. My point being, one black guy dressing up in the uniform of the side in the Civil War that fought to keep his ancestors enslaved has the right to do so, but just like those Israeli skinheads, it just doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
Welcome to the pissing contest.
I just knew you couldn't stay away.Anyhoo, you're looking at the War Between the States on a totally ideological perspective when it's unlikely that most of the actual participants did.
There were for a fact blacks in the armies of the Confederacy.
Therefore there would have been black veterans.
Therefore there are black descendants of Confederate veterans.
It should be obvious that those descendants of black Confederate veterans are not racist against their own race, but still acknowledging that they had men in their families that fought for the Confederacy during the War Between the States.
Did you know that H.K. Edgerton (in the picture) had been the president of the Asheville chapter of the NAACP?
The NAACP is hardly a haven for uncle toms or turncoats.
All I can say about Edgerton is that people sometimes do things that don't make sense.
18 Oct 2014, 4:30 pm
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