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Do you believe in Demons?
yes 43%  43%  [ 9 ]
no 52%  52%  [ 11 ]
not sure 5%  5%  [ 1 ]
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08 Mar 2007, 11:19 pm

I believe in demons,but they're not the same demons that most people in religions such as Christianity and the such believe in.


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09 Mar 2007, 12:08 am

postpaleo wrote:
I'm not really arguing here. You might percive it as that. But I'm not. All I'm saying is it's from the persons own perception. I can't go into reality theroy, I'm not bright enough, but I do know Einstein had some pretty heavy thoughts on it. When you die, will I cease to be?



"level-headed people" and if they weren't level headed?

"If I see a demon and no one else does I'm a having a hallucination." Not to me, I might see it too and the rest don't. So I would pose the question, who is having the hallucination? Science hasn't figured it all out. Just because it isn't in a book doesn't mean it doesn't exist. We humans only have our limited senses. Just becasue someone might be able to catch a glimpse of something, I can't, doesn't make them a nut. We have machines that can "see" things we couldn't before. They were always there.


Since there is no proof we must assert it doesn't exist.


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09 Mar 2007, 12:25 am

Since there is no proof, only means, I must look further.


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09 Mar 2007, 12:26 am

postpaleo wrote:
Since there is no proof, only means, I must look further.


Feel free to, I'd find the hypothesis for lifeforms with cloaking capability very interesting.


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09 Mar 2007, 12:34 am

Lol, cool. I find the fear of seeing the demon that isn't scarey to see. Now that would be a demon to behold. Think of the nicest person or animate object you can and then put something evil under the skin, something you can't percive. :wink: If I were to see the gargoyle,I wouldn't run, have to see what it felt it must say. Meet the siren and I'd better run like hell, even though I'd rather get up close. :lol:


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09 Mar 2007, 10:27 am

Not at all. Closest I will say I believe in would be some form of 'energy' life form



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10 Mar 2007, 5:26 am

Flagg wrote:
Since there is no proof we must assert it doesn't exist.


without proof we cannot assert it doesn't exist, but rather assume. Something like spirits (as opposed to santa claus for instance) is impossible to verify scientifically. Therefore we can assume its not true until further evidence, but we can't know it for sure (which is why I distinguish between assert and assume).



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10 Mar 2007, 6:43 am

Juggernaut wrote:
Flagg wrote:
Since there is no proof we must assert it doesn't exist.


without proof we cannot assert it doesn't exist, but rather assume. Something like spirits (as opposed to santa claus for instance) is impossible to verify scientifically. Therefore we can assume its not true until further evidence, but we can't know it for sure (which is why I distinguish between assert and assume).



you're using backwards logic. the real logic would be proving that something is real. it's impossible to prove something doesn't exist....proving something does exist is much easier and much more plausible.

there's no reason to assume something does exist if there's no proof of it. the only reason why the idea even exists is because someone thought it up years ago to scare people who believed anything...which is how religion came about....because people believed anything they heard.



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10 Mar 2007, 4:21 pm

If you wish to bring true science into this, based on empirical evidence...then it is as easy to prove that daemons do exist, as it is that they do not.
We have no reason to deny the plausibility of our experiences, only to question them, as is in the nature of the stable and rational mind.



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11 Mar 2007, 12:12 am

Dr_Mobius wrote:
If you wish to bring true science into this, based on empirical evidence...then it is as easy to prove that daemons do exist, as it is that they do not.
We have no reason to deny the plausibility of our experiences, only to question them, as is in the nature of the stable and rational mind.


there is no reason to assume they exist. just look at the world around us, the only experiences of demons can easily be debunked.

anyways, burden of proof lies on the side claiming the existence and that burden of proof has yet to be satisfied.



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11 Mar 2007, 2:28 am

Having dealt with them, I certainly do believe in them. Can't prove them though, just as I can't prove miracles, which I've also dealt with.



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11 Mar 2007, 2:31 am

calandale wrote:
Having dealt with them, I certainly do believe in them. Can't prove them though, just as I can't prove miracles, which I've also dealt with.


Like our trashcan city (Eugene, I also live in the city) is cool enough for demons.


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11 Mar 2007, 3:42 am

I believe the word demon is a term for a evil and malicious extraterrestrial species that humanity has encountered long in the past.


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11 Mar 2007, 3:47 am

Flagg wrote:
calandale wrote:

Like our trashcan city (Eugene, I also live in the city) is cool enough for demons.


Haven't seen any here. A few out in the woods of upstate NY. One in my closet (don't laugh - we're not talking about a childhood thing here, my wife was aware of her too).