Max Blumenthal interview on Israels double standards

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It does not depend on the circumstances. It is either a fact or a lie. Which is it?

You might not like it, but circumstantial evidence depends on the circumstances.

Nonsense.

That some antisemitic idiots might point out that other people were persecuted as well does not imply in any form or fashion that anyone who points out the fact that other people were persecuted is antisemitic.

Perhaps a course of logic would help your thinking.

The notion that circumstantial evidence does not depend on the circumstances defies the very definition.


True. It depends on the circumstances.


You shouldn't be arguing against yourself.

My error. The nonsense was claiming that when someone points out that there were also other people persecuted during World War II, then that is circumstantial evidence that they are antisemitic. It is no such thing.

Circumstantial evidence proves the case in spite of the lack of eye witness testimony. That someone may point out that others were persecuted as well does not indicate anything at all about them being or not being antisemitic. They might be antisemitic. They might not be antisemitic. You cannot possibly arrive at a conclusion either way based on that.

Form is a peripheral issue.

I would add more of a laid out rebuttal at this point but eric has said much of what needs to be said in response to humanaut already.


Yes, there are opponents of Israel who are anti semitic but, by in large, they are so inclined for reasons quite divorced from Palestinian advocacy. By the same token that not all Jews are zionists, not all critics of Israel are anti semites. This is the fallacy of ''whales are mammals, therefore all mammals live in the sea".

At this point i am finding it difficult to believe that Humanaut is much more than a troll. He refuses to react or respond to new information.Not only does he continually resort to fallacious arguments and appeals to emotion, i've articulated why not only is it not anti-semitic to oppose Israel but why the position of Israel's enablers and apologists IS.

Holocaust minimization is circumstantial evidence of antisemitism. A relatively uncontroversial statement. I don't think anyone would disagree.

But sweet and sour black bean sauce is amazing! Besides Tibet belongs to China and always be part of China!

Here's Humanuat's supposed argument:

It can be "antisemitic" to point out that non-Jews were also persecuted during world war 2 and the holocaust depending on the circumstances. The circumstances in which it is antisemitic are those where the person pointing it out is displaying "circumstantial evidence" of "antisemitism" by virtue of pointing it out.* In other words, something is "antisemitic" when it is "antisemitic", which is whenever Humanaut says it is.

(* And circumstantial evidence depends on the circumstances by definition don't you know!)

But anyway, as fun as it might be to point out these logical absurdities, I know from experience that talking to Zionist zealots like Humanaut on the subject of Israel as if you were participating in some nice, civilized college philosophy debate is not going to work, because they'll just continue to defame the characters of their opponents by whatever means they deem effective.

Humanaut, are you a Jew?

True.


No, that would be a bit arbitrary. Minimization was mentioned...

I have captured the essence of your circular argument. It's still circular no matter how many words you stick in it.

By the way, I'm still curious - are you a Jew?

It is not circular, and no additional words have been attached to it. It still reads: Holocaust minimization is circumstantial evidence of antisemitism.

He was not "minimizing" the Holocaust, but doing the exact opposite (pointing out its true larger size).

So is that "evidence" of him being a citizen of Israel?

Seriously- you need to walk us all through your logic here.

Larger than what?

Lol, right. I'll leave it to the readers to decide how convincing that is.

I notice you still won't answer my question: are you a Jew?