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13 Dec 2014, 8:36 am

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I have even wondered if I am a Jew, and that it is like it says in the Bible I think it was that Jews are punished 7 times more for the same sins. As a matter of fact I have even wondered why there are so many Muslims migrating into my country now, does it have anything to do with me?



Why would it have anything to do with you? It does seem like deluded thinking but I'm curious to know why you think that is. What's the cause and effect between something you did or something you might be and muslims migrating to your country?


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13 Dec 2014, 9:00 am

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I have even wondered if I am a Jew, and that it is like it says in the Bible I think it was that Jews are punished 7 times more for the same sins. As a matter of fact I have even wondered why there are so many Muslims migrating into my country now, does it have anything to do with me?



Why would it have anything to do with you? It does seem like deluded thinking but I'm curious to know why you think that is. What's the cause and effect between something you did or something you might be and muslims migrating to your country?

Solipsism, or something similar. I wrote about it briefly in the thread. I said my outer world might be some form of projection of my mind or so. I have similar thoughts about the Internet, surveillance, and all the Orwellian structures. I have noticed that a lot of people who "wake up" to conspiracies and such have used one or another form of psychedelic drugs. That makes me wonder if they have become aware of something in outer objective reality that they didn't see before, or if their outer world, including what they perceive as history, changed. Yes most people say these kinds of thoughts are schizophrenic and such. I think that's just part of the whole dynamic. Groupthink is necessary to have a functioning society, but I think that preferable to operating within society would be to transcend society. Most likely mental illness is spiritual initiation. That's what I think The Truman Show, The Matrix, 1984 and Brave New World are about. And that's why I think that Jews in Egypt are mentally disordered people and Jews in Babylon are people with psychotic illnesses. I have never seen anyone, proclaimed Jew or others, say this. I have however seen that Jews, or those who proclaim to be Jews, themselves said in the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia the following:

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insanity

Mental disease. Among the Jews the proportion of insane has been observed to be very large.
source: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/artic ... 3-insanity

There are also other sites online talking about Jews having a higher incidence than others of various mental disorders and illnesses. A lot of people think that Jews are mentally disordered and that Israel is a sick society. Some say Jews have a paranoid psychosis:



Here's a quote from an interview on the same medium, red ice:

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Zen Gardner: Oh, you don't like Jewish people. Jewish people aren't equal to us. Don't you know how tortured they were for so long? Well lady, you know what, if you knew why they were chased out of country by country maybe you'd have a different attitude. Why they were kicked out of every country they went into because they were trying to screw it.

Henrik: The analogy of the man that seeks different partners in life and his marriages keep breaking up. And he's like "that woman wasn't that great. She had some issues, psychological issues. And then something was wrong with the next one, physicality wise, or I wasn't attracted to her, whatever." It's like, marriage after marriage fails. After 20, 30, 40 wives, 50, 60, 100 wives, at what point are you gonna begin to question the man in the relationship and say maybe there's something there that's wrong. Maybe he has an issue. Maybe it's not all these women that have an issue.

Zen Gardner: Exactly. There's a famous story of a guy. It's probably a different scenario but, this guy drives into a little small town and he stops at the gas station. He's looking for a town to move to. He asked the attendant "What are the people like here like?" And the attendant says "Well, what were they like where you came from?" He says "Ah, they were all smarmy, stinky, ugly, stupid, you know, they were awful." And the guy says to him "You know, they're gonna be the same way here for you."
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That to me sounds a lot like autism. There is talk online about a connection between autism and schizophrenia.



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13 Dec 2014, 9:13 am

I have also noticed that of all the Muslim men I have met it seems like even the most religious of them, the least sinful etc. they all have that mesotonic mentality, combined with a form of masculine mentality. You could say just being men I guess. Whereas I am either female for being a man perhaps, or to some extent androgynous. This male-female split appears to me to go hand-in-hand with Islam and is one of the things where I feel different. Not only do I not care about the world, I feel like I'm incompatible with it. I am not a fighter, and not a survivor, I'm basically headed for death, fading away. But as I said I worship death. It seems to me that one fundamental value that Islam is based on is fear of death. A lot of Muslims view me as mentally disordered. But I fail to see what's so damn great about life and what's so damn awful about death. I think they've got it backwards to be honest.



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13 Dec 2014, 9:34 am

To the OP:

There's no polite way to say it.

You're nuts.

Get professional help.

End of discussion.



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13 Dec 2014, 9:50 am

Well, I always did have more liking for the Grim Reaper than any deity. At least there's one that you can depend on.

That's sort of why I always had a thing for crows. They have a harsh, abrasive call, and they can seem intimidating. A lot of times, though, if you call back softly, you can end up in a conversation with the crow, one of you trying to imitate the other, and you sort of realize they're like little kids. It turns into this private little game.

I don't recommend one as a pet, though. I understand they think that eyeballs are marbles, and those beaks are sharp as samurai swords and can tear gashes in you that are potentially inconveniently, um...fatal. They're also sort of like ferrets with wings, only with more potential for wreaking havoc. They get into crap, knock things over, and seem to have a perverse sense of humor. My partner had a partly tame one (closest you're going to get) when he was a youth, and the little bastard would actually flap up into the trees with the chickens, and he would sidle up to one and start trying, with nothing apparently but the best intentions, to go "cluck cluck cluck" at her, and all of the chickens would go into this sort of hilarious panic, leaving the poor thing perched there alone in the tree, going, "Is it my breath??"

And they have beaks like samurai swords.

But basically, I have noticed also that conventional Abrahamic religions seem to be designed for neurotypicals, and I have had experience with Christians who are like what you describe. They are literally almost delighted over any opportunity for moral perversity, and you know that, when it gets them into trouble, they're going to wring their hands, whine, and say, "Well, well, well, now, you know I believe in JESUS!" as if that gives them a free pass.

So believe me, you're not alone, here. I think it's going to be like this with any group of people that perceives themselves as "mainstream" and "socially acceptable." They don't avow religious belief out of actual belief, but they are telling people what they want to hear and making religious statements as statements of in-group association and entitlement. Islam is worse about this than Christianity, but both can be pretty toxic.

...

And actually, you sound to me like you have a pretty common form of what used to be "treatment-resistant" depression, and there is actually stuff now that can be done for it. Don't let it upset you. Just start seeing a clinical psychologist of some kind, and just keep that person fully informed on what's going on. You might want to do some research first on the best services that are available because it's hard to find a firm that actually takes their work seriously. University clinics (ones that do actual research) are actually good places to check or at least make inquiries.



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13 Dec 2014, 10:31 am

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You are exactly what I mean by Jews in Egypt, assuming that you have Asperger's. It's strange though that I was always disordered to some degree, however I was never of the mentality that you two, and a vast majority of people on this forum, have. I don't know what to make of it, but I see your statements as compliments. And treatment is the last thing I would want to get. That would be to kill my initiation, only fools do that, and they do it all the time. I would want to become more schizophrenic if anything. Might try some methods in the future to see if that's possible to achieve.



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13 Dec 2014, 11:06 am

Persimmonpudding wrote:
Well, I always did have more liking for the Grim Reaper than any deity. At least there's one that you can depend on.

That's sort of why I always had a thing for crows. They have a harsh, abrasive call, and they can seem intimidating. A lot of times, though, if you call back softly, you can end up in a conversation with the crow, one of you trying to imitate the other, and you sort of realize they're like little kids. It turns into this private little game.

I don't recommend one as a pet, though. I understand they think that eyeballs are marbles, and those beaks are sharp as samurai swords and can tear gashes in you that are potentially inconveniently, um...fatal. They're also sort of like ferrets with wings, only with more potential for wreaking havoc. They get into crap, knock things over, and seem to have a perverse sense of humor. My partner had a partly tame one (closest you're going to get) when he was a youth, and the little bastard would actually flap up into the trees with the chickens, and he would sidle up to one and start trying, with nothing apparently but the best intentions, to go "cluck cluck cluck" at her, and all of the chickens would go into this sort of hilarious panic, leaving the poor thing perched there alone in the tree, going, "Is it my breath??"

And they have beaks like samurai swords.

But basically, I have noticed also that conventional Abrahamic religions seem to be designed for neurotypicals, and I have had experience with Christians who are like what you describe. They are literally almost delighted over any opportunity for moral perversity, and you know that, when it gets them into trouble, they're going to wring their hands, whine, and say, "Well, well, well, now, you know I believe in JESUS!" as if that gives them a free pass.

So believe me, you're not alone, here. I think it's going to be like this with any group of people that perceives themselves as "mainstream" and "socially acceptable." They don't avow religious belief out of actual belief, but they are telling people what they want to hear and making religious statements as statements of in-group association and entitlement. Islam is worse about this than Christianity, but both can be pretty toxic.

...

And actually, you sound to me like you have a pretty common form of what used to be "treatment-resistant" depression, and there is actually stuff now that can be done for it. Don't let it upset you. Just start seeing a clinical psychologist of some kind, and just keep that person fully informed on what's going on. You might want to do some research first on the best services that are available because it's hard to find a firm that actually takes their work seriously. University clinics (ones that do actual research) are actually good places to check or at least make inquiries.


The crow might be alone after the chickens have scattered, and he might wonder if it was his breath, but then again, chickens are known to still be running around after their heads have been cut off.



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13 Dec 2014, 11:17 am

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You are exactly what I mean by Jews in Egypt, assuming that you have Asperger's. It's strange though that I was always disordered to some degree, however I was never of the mentality that you two, and a vast majority of people on this forum, have. I don't know what to make of it, but I see your statements as compliments. And treatment is the last thing I would want to get. That would be to kill my initiation, only fools do that, and they do it all the time. I would want to become more schizophrenic if anything. Might try some methods in the future to see if that's possible to achieve.
Ketamine WOULD make you more schizophrenic!

Actually...not PRECISELY. It's in some ways similar in that it's a dissociative, but it is missing several components of true schizophrenia.

But anyway, it's still actually being used to create animal models for schizophrenia!

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278584603000800

And YET, it's being considered for use in treating certain forms of treatment-resistant depression:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2935847/

http://canadianharmreduction.com/sites/default/files/RCT%20of%20NMDA%20Antagonist%20in%20Tx%20Resistant%20Depression%20-%202006.pdf

However, there are actually less powerful drugs that do something similar, including amantadine, which I am on, and memantadine. It's almost like some of us have a sort of "insanity deficit" if you will.

So taking a drug that makes me genuinely MORE crazy and MORE like someone with schizophrenia has actually made me into a nice, patient, easy-to-get-along with guy, where before I could actually get abusive with people whom I perceived to be idiots. I mean, I could be MEAN!

I think it's sort of one of those things like how you can only tolerate being around certain alcoholics after you've had a few drinks yourself.

Therefore, you might want to consider the possibility of seeing a psychiatric professional, and actually discuss your entire body of symptoms, from A to Z. Believe it or not, but there is stuff out there these days that can actually help you.



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13 Dec 2014, 11:20 am

Lol this is the last post I post on this thread so I'm going say it all
I don't like how you bash all muslims in that hateful way like if the whole muslim population decided to cut off your limbs for you
One of the reasons why some of those muslims are bullying you is because you're jewish, most blame everything happening around on jews; being the source of conflict over where they come from, but I don't consider jews the main reason; nothing is its just the building of circumstances over other circumstances which caused everything the way it is, and also because of palestine, not to hate on jews or something but the deaths and sad events in palestine mainly makes me hate many jews, seeing many palestinians in the way they're today; their pain of having to seek refugee and pity from others and their pain of loss and the pain of feeling weak no matter how hard you try and seeing your family being torn out and seeing others suffer- those things aren't things which would heal in them so fast. Not to mention the many deaths that happened in my family, the childhood events that I will never get again, the many places I loved gone, the people I was close to so far and out of reach from me, the many people I won't see again, my whole family, my friends, my community all suffering from these circumstances- what about all those people and me, I still didn't bash anyone, I don't think being bullied or having someone occupy your country hurts as much as loosing your little brother- someone you used to laugh with and hug then you find the only thing left from them is a cold dead body with that dead expression, remembering them everytime you see something linked to them, wanting them back for example.
And not all muslims are 'life lovers' either, at least the ones I'm around aren't. Muslims are humans too so most likely they will vary like other humans would.



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13 Dec 2014, 11:44 am

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Lol this is the last post I post on this thread so I'm going say it all
I don't like how you bash all muslims in that hateful way like if the whole muslim population decided to cut off your limbs for you
One of the reasons why some of those muslims are bullying you is because you're jewish, most blame everything happening around on jews; being the source of conflict over where they come from, but I don't consider jews the main reason; nothing is its just the building of circumstances over other circumstances which caused everything the way it is, and also because of palestine, not to hate on jews or something but the deaths and sad events in palestine mainly makes me hate many jews, seeing many palestinians in the way they're today; their pain of having to seek refugee and pity from others and their pain of loss and the pain of feeling weak no matter how hard you try and seeing your family being torn out and seeing others suffer- those things aren't things which would heal in them so fast. Not to mention the many deaths that happened in my family, the childhood events that I will never get again, the many places I loved gone, the people I was close to so far and out of reach from me, the many people I won't see again, my whole family, my friends, my community all suffering from these circumstances- what about all those people and me, I still didn't bash anyone, I don't think being bullied or having someone occupy your country hurts as much as loosing your little brother- someone you used to laugh with and hug then you find the only thing left from them is a cold dead body with that dead expression, remembering them everytime you see something linked to them, wanting them back for example.
And not all muslims are 'life lovers' either, at least the ones I'm around aren't. Muslims are humans too so most likely they will vary like other humans would.
Interesting. I'm not Jewish officially. It's interesting what you write about your losses. That is something I have been philosophizing around lately. It does seem to me that Muslim philosophy is based on the connection to others, and that that connection is what makes a lot of Muslims hate Jews. This is something I see not only in people who are officially Muslim, but in humanity as a whole. Which is why I'm inclined to speculate that Islam as a written down explicitly expressed system of beliefs is merely writing down explicitly something that already exists as a paradigm in the human psyche, although there might be something else to it also. I personally believe that attachment to others, love, is lack of enlightenment. And that Jews try to break down that connection, alienate people, because that is enlightenment. The pain and suffering that people feel is enlightenment. Naturally Jews are hated for it, but that's in my view a manifestation of the fact that Jews are enlightening those that hate them. Does this philosophy apply across the board? I don't know. But have you ever reflected upon why one of the cruelest forms of punishment, solitary confinement, is very similar to the conditions where a lot of saints found tremendous enlightenment? I have spoken to Muslims who have had siblings killed in war. I have a hard time empathizing because I might just lack ability to empathize generally, but also because I feel that I hate my parents and siblings. I think love might be overrated. If you don't love anyone, you don't grieve the loss of anyone either.



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13 Dec 2014, 3:08 pm

Well...what you're calling "Judaism" here is more like Buddhism.

Each major faith addresses the question of "what causes suffering?" with a slightly different answer.

According to Islam suffering is caused by God testing you. Christianity and Judaism say suffering is caused by Adam and Eve disobeying God way back when.

According to Buddhism all suffering is caused by attachment-our attachments to transient external things (other people, possessions, and the like).



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13 Dec 2014, 4:06 pm

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An interesting aspect of my philosophizing is the decline of the white race and the white countries. It seems like Sweden will be a Muslim country soon.

Sweden will not be a Muslim country any time soon. Less than 5% of the population are Muslim. Let's say you'll live for 60 more years. If that proportion doubles every 20 years (which is very unlikely - a 2% increase is more realistic) then Sweden will be about 20% Muslim when you die. A high figure within the bounds of possibility is about 11%.



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13 Dec 2014, 4:26 pm

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I think the reason why the Muslims at your workplace are so clannish and exclusive is largely due to tribalism. All humans do it by associating with other people of their particular religion or ethnicity. I had a friend in high school who talked about a huddle of Southern Baptists we knew, pointing out that they just hung out with each other for the most part. Thing is, this particular friend was guilty of the same thing, associating with mostly just Roman Catholics - I suppose he figured his criticism didn't apply to him or our group as I, a Lutheran, was part of their social circle.


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13 Dec 2014, 7:20 pm

^^^What Kraichgauer said.

As far as the "white race," screw the "white race." I want certain sections of the "white race" to go extinct, namely rednecks in my own country. Freaking hell, man, count yourself lucky that you don't have Southern Baptists there in Sweden. They're like Muslims in every possible respect.

I grew up in the redneck part of Dixie, about 30 miles south of one of the filthiest cauldrons of racism you could imagine. Where I grew up, in the 1990's, black kids and white kids stood in separate lines to be served their lunch. And I was a person who was obviously gay, although I was not truly reconciled with that until well after my high school days, and, whether I knew it or not, androgynous in appearance. Believe me, every sin of Islamic culture is something that white people are capable of if they fall into a pattern of tribalism and in-group loyalties over the welfare of the world at large.

And believe me, in Piss Bucket County, here in Dixie, pedophilia is just as rampant as it is in many Islamic cultures. They even speak highly of it. In some parts of Dixie, some people still insist that the ideal marriageable age is about 14, and we still have "shotgun marriages" in some places, where a woman who has been knocked-up by a man, regardless of the circumstances, is virtually forced into marriage. The culture of misogyny is still strong, and women get very much into the act and seem to be the worst culprits, ironically. Men couldn't care less what women do as long as they give head; women who perceive a problem with another woman's "acceptability," regardless of how misogynistic the standards are, will verbally tear her limb-from-limb, socially isolate her, and declare her effectively dead in the eyes of society. In a misogynistic culture, a woman who has the slightest sexual assertiveness or even remotely liberal views on sexuality is a "slut." Damaged goods. Worthless. For a young woman, what is known as "social Siberia" can be deadly, and it's tantamount to a lynching.

Those of us from the "white" countries are beneficiaries of the fact that our ancestors learned to accept ideas from other cultures and became an open society. Before that, we lost a third of our populace to a single plague, so determined were we to live in our own squalor. We slaughtered billions of our sons in meaningless wars. Europeans live as prosperously as they do because of a long love affair with the human race, nothing more and nothing less. It is justified love. Ideas flowing in from other cultures, in our new openness, brought us healing and new life.



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13 Dec 2014, 7:37 pm

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Well...what you're calling "Judaism" here is more like Buddhism.

Each major faith addresses the question of "what causes suffering?" with a slightly different answer.

According to Islam suffering is caused by God testing you. Christianity and Judaism say suffering is caused by Adam and Eve disobeying God way back when.

According to Buddhism all suffering is caused by attachment-our attachments to transient external things (other people, possessions, and the like).

I didn't mention the word Judaism. I talked about the concept of a Jew and the concept Jewish, and related philosophy. I see that as partly differentiable. When I look into Jewish philosophy, or just philosophy regarding Jews and their actions, which of course is related to the religion Judaism, but not limited to it, and not always very connected, I do get the impression that there are many things that could be expressed in the language of Buddhism, for example, if one so wishes. And many Jews practice Buddhism. I think that Zionism for example basically is Vipassana meditation on a global scale.



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13 Dec 2014, 8:15 pm

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I don't like how you bash all muslims in that hateful way

Hateful? I think that's mostly a label created by the emotional response inside your head. I don't think I have written much hateful things in this thread, more of my observations, reflections, speculation and philosophizing. I don't shy away from writing things that people think are hateful in their own emotional universe, because I find that when you have that limitation there's virtually no end to what you can't say and think.