The Gun Culture is Somewhat In Denial About Gun Safety.
This is why I discourage off-body carry for women; this could not have happened if the gun were secured in a well designed holster. Really though, as others have pointed out, this sort of thing is exceedingly rare, tragic though it may be, and thus can't really have an argument built on it.
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Couple points:
1. There's reason that just about every time a gun accident happens it makes national news. It doesn't happen that often.
2. The death of this woman is a tragedy. It shouldn't have happened. One way to prevent it would have been to keep the gun zipped up in a side pocket.
One striking thing about the whole story is that a 2 year old who was just digging around the mother's purse managed to discharge the handgun. Now there are two main types of handguns: Semiautomatic handguns, and revolvers. Yes you could get into single shot handguns and whatnot but there's a 99.9% chance she had one of those two types.
Now look, the triggers on revolvers are very difficult to pull back UNLESS the hammer is already back. If the hammer is back then most revolvers will have a hair trigger.
If she had a revolver then she had to have had the hammer back when it was in her purse. Having the hammer back in a bad idea regardless of if there is a 2 year old around. What if the trigger had caught on her wallet or whatever else was in her purse?
If it was a semiautomatic handgun (which is generally not recommend for women to carry in their purses due to the sliding action) then she would have absolutely HAD to have a bullet in the chamber of the action. This is also a terrible idea. I've read that if you carry a pocket pistol like a Glock 42 in your pocket you should not have a round in the chamber. A purse would be even worse than a pocket due to their being more things in the purse that could catch on the trigger.
Every single case of accidental shooting is partially due to negligence of at least one gun safety rule.
I'll reiterate what I said about it not happening that often. You might think that 2014 has had a horrible year for commercial airline crashes. Not so. http://imgur.com/a/aSGbbHere's some data on the matter. Yes 2014 was far worse than 2013, but it was actually quite mild compared to the last 10 years, let alone the last 50 years. The same goes for drownings, shark attacks, car wrecks, aids, etc.
If it makes national news, it's probably pretty rare.
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Don't leave a purse with a gun in it around a kid.Any purse could have dangerous items,a kid could also swallow some prescription medicine and die from that,start a fire with a lighter,grab the mace out and spray mom when she's driving,swallow change,eat the little battery out of a flashlight,etc.It's like leaving your purse around a squirrel monkey.It's just a sad accident caused by a moment of negligence.
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She should have had it on her body or at the most had her purse on her arm away from her kid.
Yup true. Not only was her kid able to get inside her purse, any stranger could have just walked up and swiped it, too. I am always careful with mine in any store.
I carry (concealed or unconcealed) without a round in the chamber because I know that I can chamber a round (and fire it) about as fast as I see a BGWAG (bad guy with a gun). Takes half a second. I don't criticize others who do carry with a chambered round. It is their choice.
But, when I carry, I remove one of my firearms from my safe, load it, holster it, carry it around somewhere (like when I visit our state Capitol Building or some other sketchy location with crowds of people), and return it to the safe when I am finished carrying and return home.
I don't have children, so that doesn't affect my choice. I simply don't want to get into any bad habits. If I did have children (or others) living with me, little would change in my habits except probably teaching my children about firearms (good and bad) starting at about age 8 through 16. I would use the Eddie Eagle and Boy Scout programs for gun safety with children that the NRA has used successfully for decades.
Many handguns these days have very good safety triggers which won't accidentally fire even if the firearm is dropped or thrown. Most small children would have a difficult time pulling the 7- or 8-lbs. double-action trigger on those safer handguns, so the firearm industry is making things safer as we speak.
When compared to the overall gun deaths that I described earlier, the accidental firearm-related injuries and deaths of children who find and explore unsecured firearms is even more rare, despite how tragic they are.
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Well, we can't have anything resembling a sensible approach to gun safety and restrictions in this country because that would mean gun manufacturers would make less money. That's the price we pay for the oligarchy under which we reside. There is no real intelligent debate on any issue in the U.S., just ideological posturing that is propped up by propaganda.
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1. There's reason that just about every time a gun accident happens it makes national news. It doesn't happen that often.
2. The death of this woman is a tragedy. It shouldn't have happened. One way to prevent it would have been to keep the gun zipped up in a side pocket.
One striking thing about the whole story is that a 2 year old who was just digging around the mother's purse managed to discharge the handgun. Now there are two main types of handguns: Semiautomatic handguns, and revolvers. Yes you could get into single shot handguns and whatnot but there's a 99.9% chance she had one of those two types.
Now look, the triggers on revolvers are very difficult to pull back UNLESS the hammer is already back. If the hammer is back then most revolvers will have a hair trigger.
If she had a revolver then she had to have had the hammer back when it was in her purse. Having the hammer back in a bad idea regardless of if there is a 2 year old around. What if the trigger had caught on her wallet or whatever else was in her purse?
If it was a semiautomatic handgun (which is generally not recommend for women to carry in their purses due to the sliding action) then she would have absolutely HAD to have a bullet in the chamber of the action. This is also a terrible idea. I've read that if you carry a pocket pistol like a Glock 42 in your pocket you should not have a round in the chamber. A purse would be even worse than a pocket due to their being more things in the purse that could catch on the trigger.
Every single case of accidental shooting is partially due to negligence of at least one gun safety rule.
I'll reiterate what I said about it not happening that often. You might think that 2014 has had a horrible year for commercial airline crashes. Not so. http://imgur.com/a/aSGbbHere's some data on the matter. Yes 2014 was far worse than 2013, but it was actually quite mild compared to the last 10 years, let alone the last 50 years. The same goes for drownings, shark attacks, car wrecks, aids, etc.
If it makes national news, it's probably pretty rare.
What you should remember about a revolver is don't pull the hammer back unless you intend to fire it. Revolvers aren't as popular as handguns though. I suspect these guns that killed these two women are very easy to fire...so easy a two year old could do it, apparently.
Yes, revolvers and older handguns don't have the kinds of safety features that semiautomatic pistols do. The good news is that, apart from collectors, most people buy new firearms which offer better safety. In either case, their owners should follow safe storage procedures and plan to teach children starting at about age 6 to understand the risks and benefits of firearms. As the children grow older, increase the amount of instruction until they become competent and confident using them.
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Notice that you didn't state a single fact or back up your opinion in any way, and yet are complaining about how other people can't have a real debate...
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I don't really feel required to back up a statement of the obvious. The NRA's refusal to give an inch on sensible measures is proof enough -- like background checks, for instance.
Quite frankly, it makes no difference to me what you think of me, and I'll back up what I say when I goddamned f*****g feel like it.
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Quite frankly, it makes no difference to me what you think of me, and I'll back up what I say when I goddamned f*****g feel like it.
The NRA caves far too often, so I wouldn't be calling it too strident. Last summer, its lobbying spokesperson called-open carry protests at restaurants and other public places "weird and certainly not a practical way to go normally about your business while preparing to defend yourself" http://www.benswann.com/nra-calls-open- ... ests-weird . Its membership shouted down that claim within days and the NRA apologized. It has been doing that a lot in recent years.
Am I correct in believing that you agree with the NRA's original statement, VegetableMan?
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Well, of course they're going to distance themselves from those crazies. What else can they do? No, I don't agree with the NRA's original statement. "Weird" is not a strong enough word to describe these genetically-challenged mutants.
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Oscar Meyer Lansky
Quite frankly, it makes no difference to me what you think of me, and I'll back up what I say when I goddamned f*****g feel like it.
If your opinion is so obvious, you should have no problem backing it up, right? Show some statistics on how background checks, to use your own example, achieve whatever it is that you think is so sensible? Surely someone so well informed and reasonable as yourself should be able to succinctly argue the correctness of your views, especially if they're so clear as to not even require basic argumentation? I mean, I only have a degree in gunsmithing and years of experience with firearms and their politics, clearly you must know something I don't to be so assured, no one would be so arrogant as to spout off on a topic they're actually completely ignorant of, right?
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But, they didn't distance themselves. They ended up apologizing for the statement, and, by extent, agreeing with those who possess unconcealed firearms lawfully.
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