The World's Most Persecuted Minority: Christians

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Christians are not a minority, and it is Christians, NOT Christianity, who are most guilty throughout history, including today, of persecuting others.

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I'm talking about how the Christians in the West who whine would not every government policy or person's opinion meshes with their belief system, calling it persecution, are basically insulting the real persecution of Christians that takes place mainly in the Islamic world (forced to convert, beheading, torture, etc.).

I thought we were on the same page about this.

What were you talking about??

Just recently the Chinese government destroyed a homemade cross on a church.

And I'll bet you'd start praying if you got into a situation in which you believed your life to be imminently in severe danger. I suspect that's the case with most who declare themselves to be "atheists" although zero of them would admit to it.

Cut off your head? That sounds worse to me than some meanlingless damnation in an afterlife that probably isn't even real. Of course the risk of beheading is practically non-existant in civilised countries.

Then who do atheists pray to?

Fnord is not an atheist.

I don't know what you're trying to prove? Humans are irrational beings, particularly in stressful situations.

Why argue about which group is persecuted more? Persecution is persecution, and it's wrong, no matter which group it's directed to.

Where would an atheist direct their prayers? To the sun? Rob Halford? Their ancestors?
I think you're incapable of conceiving of actual non-belief in magic, and therefore can't understand or accept it as actually existing.

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This seems like yet another case of Christian persecution/martyr complex rearing it's ugly head. Christianity and delusions of persecution seem to go hand in hand, which really trivializes cases where actual Christians are facing actual persecution.

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Fnord is not an Atheist. Fnord just hates religion.

I get the impression that where Christians actually get killed its where a more pressing ideology that cant tolerate any cohesive non-compliance group, regardless of whose totalitarian ideology it is, and what Christianity offers is a separate group, separate mission statement, in other words organized noncompliance and even organized opposition.

That dynamic seems to play itself out regardless of the groups or ideologies involved. I'd be interested to see how often Masons and organized occultists have had this same problem - apparently Freemasonry was banned in Nazi Germany and occultists of various stripes were picked up and put in concentration camps by the Nazi's, similar things also for the Eastern soviet bloc and the gulags . The very structure of Freemasonry is threatening to anyone who wants absolute power, it tends to make a lot of people nervous just because its off everyone's radar who isn't in. Occultism also has the problem of spirituality without levers of allegiance that can be pulled (ie. they don't get brainwashed very easily by political doctrine because they have their own thing going on).

It seems like the general rules apply - persecution is brought down by the will of one or two groups to consolidate power and stamp out any opposition and generally any education that would allow enough free-thinking to give rise to people thinking critically about the status quo.

Christians are a minority in many countries.

do you have any proof that christians are the most guilty throughout history and today of persecuting others?

can you name me some christians groups that are like boko haram, al-shaabab, isis, talibans, al-quada?

Here is another source that claims that christians are the most persecuted in te world: http://www.svd.se/kultur/understrecket/ ... 365802.svd

Its in swedish tought, but they got their info from human rights groups and universities.

I've just got a hunch that most people who call themselves atheists would start praying for "god to save them" if they were actually in a situation in which they were staring-death-in-the-face. Since most probably think there's a slight-possibility a deity of some sort may exist despite what they claim.

And yes I'm sure there's a very-small-minority of them who wouldn't p**** out in that situation as well.

I'm not sure the first category would truly qualify as atheists, if you believe that a magic faery may be there to save you strongly enough you'd call out for it you're clearly not someone who accepts the non-existence of fae.

But, it's usually those who believe in the existence of magic sky fae who insist that non-believers secretly believe.

After talking with large numbers of both believers and non-believers I've come to accept that just as I am incapable of conceiving of a non-materialistic universe, many believers are incapable of conceiving of a reality without magic/spiritualism/deities in some form or another.

I used to work in a call centre that served the Florida area, while helping people with various issues they'd often ask questions regarding my religious and spiritual beliefs. After getting tired of trying to explain 'I don't believe that nonsense' as delicately as possible I started telling people I followed Asatru, Norse Paganism. It was easier for the sorts of religious folks who'd ask about my beliefs to get them to wrap their heads around following a (arguably) dead polythestic religion than it was for them to accept 'I'm a materialist, I don't believe in magic at all'.

I'd say Jews are more persecuted than Christians on a global scale, but in terms of the U.S., I suspect the reverse is true.

I don't see how they are.

Disagreeing with fundamentalists =/= persecuting.