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white_as_snow
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09 Jan 2015, 2:24 pm

andrethemoogle wrote:

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thomas81 wrote:

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Christian politics did not fire bullets and bombs.
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Look at my location.

I spent most of the 90s living in a house around the corner from a RUC garrisson which was frequented every other week by improvised explosives. I can assure you that 'christian bombs' are and were, a very real phenomenon.

with this kind of logic, people like saddam, assad, al-sisi, gaddafi are/were muslims.

but no, only christians lands and politics gets blamed all the time with this logic, so tired of it.

Uh, what? You should research the history between the IRA and Northern Ireland.

Also, deity

noun, plural deities.
1.
a god or goddess.
2.
divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.
3.
the estate or rank of a god:
The king attained deity after his death.
4.
a person or thing revered as a god or goddess:
a society in which money is the only deity.
5.
the Deity, God; Supreme Being.

Im talking about blaming a whole country and some politics as christians, but people never does that to muslims countries and muslims leaders like for exemple assad, al-sisi, gaddafi, saddam etc.

And the idelogy pan-arabism which is like nazism, nobody say they are muslims, but nazis are christians?

Its just bullhsit. Pan-arabism is as much islamic as nazism is christian and assad, saddam etc is as much islamic as hitler, stalin etc is christian.

when will people get this.

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09 Jan 2015, 2:44 pm

thomas81 wrote:

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Syd wrote:

Why is Islam included in the diagram but not Christianity?

Simple. It is a product of, by, and for Christians, and also posted by a Christian. You wouldn't want to reveal the heinous nature of those hypocrites who are responsible for the Inquisitions, the Witch Trials, the Crusades, the Viet Nam War, and Operation Desert Storm, now would you?

You also left out the sacking of Drogheda, the Williamite wars, the genocides of the Native Americans, the slave trade, the Northern Ireland conflict as well as the Balkan war, Srebenica genocide and Sabra and Shatilla massacre (all of which of the latter three were christian on muslim).

I left out a LOT of evil acts that have been perpetrated by Christians and/or in the name of Christ, not the least of which were the "Troubles" that you mentioned - violence between Christian sects (Catholic and non-Catholic) in Northern Ireland.

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09 Jan 2015, 3:06 pm

white_as_snow wrote:

I think the main flaw in this post is that people do call Saddam, Assad, Gaddaffi et al. Muslims.

You could argue that religion isn't motivating for them, just as it wasn't for Hitler, but that would be strange in the case of Saddam at least. And of course, there's no point pretending they didn't hold the religious views they held.

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09 Jan 2015, 3:07 pm

andrethemoogle wrote:

white_as_snow wrote:

thomas81 wrote:

white_as_snow wrote:

Christian politics did not fire bullets and bombs.

Look at my location. I spent most of the 90s living in a house around the corner from a RUC garrisson which was frequented every other week by improvised explosives. I can assure you that 'christian bombs' are and were, a very real phenomenon.

with this kind of logic, people like saddam, assad, al-sisi, gaddafi are/were muslims. but no, only christians lands and politics gets blamed all the time with this logic, so tired of it.

Uh, what? You should research the history between the IRA and Northern Ireland.

Also, deity
noun, plural deities.
1. a god or goddess.
2. divine character or nature, especially that of the Supreme Being; divinity.
3. the estate or rank of a god: The king attained deity after his death.
4. a person or thing revered as a god or goddess: a society in which money is the only deity.
5. the Deity, God; Supreme Being.

Now, now, gentlemen ... let's not bludgeon our audience with too many facts at once. After all, they may have already made up their minds, and facts might offend them!

:lol:

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11 Jan 2015, 12:53 am

white_as_snow wrote:

lol at crusaders, it was self-defence, muslims invaded europe.

If we exclude the Baltic crusade, which had nothing to with the offensive Jihad, the crusades where originally called after the Byzantine emperor called on the pope for military aid to counter the Muslim invasions which later took on a different charterer.

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11 Jan 2015, 1:00 am

All ideology are an irrational construct to protect the human ego. Thus, I believe the human ego has killed the most since humanity is afraid to let go of their ego. Hence, they will seek irrationality to protect them against rational conclusions.

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12 Jan 2015, 10:55 am

thomas81 wrote:

white_as_snow wrote:

Christian politics did not fire bullets and bombs.
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To be fair I wouldn't classify either "side" of the troubles as being truly religious. They used it to create a false mask of legitimacy. As a case in point, I was once sitting at the back of a bus and some charming guys came over to me with a knife and asked if I was protestant or catholic. When I gave the right answer they started acting all friendly - phew - and on chatting to them I found that even though they called themselves protestant they didn't really even believe in God!

As another case in point, I had to move house at the age of four due to a threat against my family by the IRA. I was brought up for the first part of my life thinking it was normal to check under the car for bombs before getting in it. What "Christians" would do that to a four year old?

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12 Jan 2015, 10:57 am

kraftiekortie wrote:

Extremism, in general, has killed hundreds of millions of people needlessly

All in the name of ideologies.

People just have to stop being so dogmatic!

I was going to say "Nationality", but your answer is probably better!

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12 Jan 2015, 11:01 am

the ideology of racial purity

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12 Jan 2015, 11:39 am

It's hard to quantify really. An easy answer would be Communism which killed roughly around 100 million people in the 20th century, mostly their own people and not in war.

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12 Jan 2015, 11:44 am

Jacoby wrote:

It's hard to quantify really. An easy answer would be Communism which killed roughly around 100 million people in the 20th century, mostly their own people and not in war.

Yep, and "[s]ome say the implementation of Maoist thought in China was responsible for as many as 70 million deaths during peacetime..." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maoism#Cr ... pretations .

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12 Jan 2015, 8:32 pm

white_as_snow wrote:

yes, even religion counts as a idelogy.

does this picture tell the whole truth?

(pic removed at OP's request.)

In other words, my ideology is better than the other ideologies and so i'll make this thread to point it out.

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14 Jan 2015, 10:28 am

The only thing this thread proves is that Christianity is just as awful, violent and opressive as Islam and still is today. Christians are just to wrapped up in thier own delusions to see it.

Just look at what's happening in Uganda if you want to see modern fundamentalist christian doctrine in action.

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15 Jan 2015, 11:23 am

At least in the twentieth century, socialism has killed the most, on a frighteningly industrial scale and organization.

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15 Jan 2015, 12:20 pm

Just how antithetical is it for me to consider humanism as the potential culprit here? Venerating one's own lifestyle too much all too often leads to contempt of different ones. Governments and clerical zealots don't record death tolls.

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15 Jan 2015, 4:41 pm

Socialism
Where do I begin? (is unable to find a place to start without seeing 7 and 8 figure death tolls).

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