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14 Jan 2015, 5:43 pm

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I am absolutely certain there is no "one truth."

I believe religion is a matter of faith. I don't have faith in it--but I don't decry those who do.

I have found things in Nietzsche that I find to be appealing. As well as people like Adam Smith and even Jean Paul Sartre. And many others.

I cull most of my "philosophy" from what I read, as well as my personal experience, in conjunction with the personal experience of others.

I never believe in the entire corpus of one particular philosopher, or even one particular person.

My belief-system is really a patchwork of influences. I'll read something by Socrates (who dictated to Plato) which I would find most applicable. I like his STYLE of discussion. I'll also read something by Aristotle (who is seen as being opposed in m any ways to Plato) which I would find most applicable.


There is one truth as everything must follow the laws of universe. Hence, it is theoretical possible to model a person completely as a person is just a system of biological function under the illusion of free will. Hence, why some believe our universe could just be a simulation since what makes the difference between something that is model and the real thing if the model is close to perfection?

Anyways, i enjoy philosophers like Nietzsche as they argue a method and not the actual ideas. Thus, it become about self discovers and find your own way rather than become the slaves to others.



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14 Jan 2015, 5:45 pm

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My religious belief is islam


Thank you for telling me.

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Maybe you're right, I never really meet people and if I do I never talk about philosphy or those things or talk to them much to know about them and their way of thinking


I'm the same now. I managed to speak and be around people during my adolescence, which is where I gauge a little of my information, but I find what people normally bring up to get to know one another so ... trivial, and things that bring no actual important information to the table. My favourite triviality people like so share upon meeting is the weather ... I know what the weather is like today, why are you telling me, and how is it relevant to anything to do with our communication?

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14 Jan 2015, 10:35 pm

You have to break the question down by type of philosophy.

Metaphysics is the philosophy of being qua being.

Epistemology is the philosophy of how we come to know things.

Ethics and Morality is the philosophy of what is right and what is wrong. What actions are permitted and what are forbidden.

Politics is the philosophy of how nations, communities, city-states organize and govern themselves.

Aesthetics is the philosophy of what is beautiful.

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14 Jan 2015, 10:59 pm

I had always thought of Philosophy as just opinion but after university Philosophy course experience I decided Philosophy is more of a formatted opinion. So, the formatted exchange of opinion. Discourse/dialogue. Without mutual respect shown by all participants I don't think the discussion qualifies as Philosophy but rather uncivilized savages barking at each other



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15 Jan 2015, 6:46 am

Eustace wrote:

Thank you for telling me.

Your welcome

Eustace wrote:
I'm the same now. I managed to speak and be around people during my adolescence, which is where I gauge a little of my
information, but I find what people normally bring up to get to know one another so ... trivial, and things that bring no actual important information to the table. My favourite triviality people like so share upon meeting is the weather ... I know what the weather is like today, why are you telling me, and how is it relevant to anything to do with our communication?

Eustace.

I'm in my adolescence years now but I still can't communicate with others in that way; sharing ideas and thoughts, I also don't like when people bring up conversations about weather or those things, people around me would usually bring up a conversation about someone and keep talking about that person.
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You have to break the question down by type of philosophy.

Metaphysics is the philosophy of being qua being.

Epistemology is the philosophy of how we come to know things.

Ethics and Morality is the philosophy of what is right and what is wrong. What actions are permitted and what are forbidden.

Politics is the philosophy of how nations, communities, city-states organize and govern themselves.

Aesthetics is the philosophy of what is beautiful.

ruveyn

Thanks for the info :) , I didn't know that philosphy was classified like that, I always thought its all the same
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I had always thought of Philosophy as just opinion but after university Philosophy course experience I decided Philosophy is more of a formatted opinion. So, the formatted exchange of opinion. Discourse/dialogue. Without
mutual respect shown by all participants I don't think the discussion qualifies as Philosophy but rather uncivilized savages barking at each other

I agree with you



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17 Jan 2015, 3:18 pm

So ruveyn is on the right track. I would add that philosophy is, broadly speaking, the rigorous investigation of various topics, including but not limited to the fundamental nature of being, of the mind, of knowledge, and of morality. An important point: philosophy is not just what one thinks or one's opinion. It is a tradition that has been around for a few thousand years and which has developed its own methods.

This is a broad definition, but philosophy is a broad discipline. If you had asked, "What is science?" you would presumably be told that science consists in a process/method (based on certain assumptions) which is applied to certain kinds of problems. Just as science requires this broad definition, so too does philosophy. (And this is a very simplistic view in any case--the two disciplines are deeply interrelated, which becomes apparent when one considers the history of both fields).



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18 Jan 2015, 4:24 am

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Campfire banter


To finish off the triad:

Religion:

Campfire ghost stories

Politics:

Campfire arguments



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18 Jan 2015, 4:48 am

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An important point: philosophy is not just what one thinks or one's opinion. It is a tradition that has been around for a few thousand years and which has developed its own methods.

There are several traditions.



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18 Jan 2015, 11:21 am

I never thought philosphy had that much common with science and had rules or requirements or that it was this specific, I don't find it that way- to me philosphy is something which doesn't require all those specified things because I think its something natural which comes to nearly everyone



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18 Jan 2015, 12:15 pm

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I never thought philosphy had that much common with science and had rules or requirements or that it was this specific, I don't find it that way- to me philosphy is something which doesn't require all those specified things because I think its something natural which comes to nearly everyone


You think this, it seems, because you've equated the academic discipline of philosophy with "whatever one thinks" or "one's opinion about a topic." The academic discipline is plainly not just whatever one thinks, and it isn't at all something that comes naturally to nearly everyone. Take the following paper in analytic metaphysics: http://aura.abdn.ac.uk/bitstream/2164/2 ... Worlds.pdf

Read only the first page. Does that sound like gibberish? That's what it sounds like to me, by and large. But this is a good example of what academic philosophy actually looks like. As you can see, this is clearly not something that comes naturally.

To clarify, by comparing science to philosophy, I meant to demonstrate the broadness of each discipline. Science subsumes chemistry, psychics, biology, etc., and so a definition of science will necessarily be broad, if it is to be accurate. The same is true of philosophy. As I said in the previous post, however, science and philosophy are deeply interconnected. Consider the question: how do we know that the findings of science reveal objective truths about the world? This has been an important philosophical question for hundreds of years. To learn more about this, read the article on scientific realism here: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/scientific-realism/



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18 Jan 2015, 12:30 pm

The_Underground_Man wrote:
Zajie wrote:
I never thought philosphy had that much common with science and had rules or requirements or that it was this specific, I don't find it that way- to me philosphy is something which doesn't require all those specified things because I think its something natural which comes to nearly everyone


You think this, it seems, because you've equated the academic discipline of philosophy with "whatever one thinks" or "one's opinion about a topic." The academic discipline is plainly not just whatever one thinks, and it isn't at all something that comes naturally to nearly everyone. Take the following paper in analytic metaphysics: http://aura.abdn.ac.uk/bitstream/2164/2 ... Worlds.pdf

Read only the first page. Does that sound like gibberish? That's what it sounds like to me, by and large. But this is a good example of what academic philosophy actually looks like. As you can see, this is clearly not something that comes naturally.

To clarify, by comparing science to philosophy, I meant to demonstrate the broadness of each discipline. Science subsumes chemistry, psychics, biology, etc., and so a definition of science will necessarily be broad, if it is to be accurate. The same is true of philosophy. As I said in the previous post, however, science and philosophy are deeply interconnected. Consider the question: how do we know that the findings of science reveal objective truths about the world? This has been an important philosophical question for hundreds of years. To learn more about this, read the article on scientific realism here: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/scientific-realism/

You're both right.

At it's most basic, philosophy is just thinking about life. And, that does come naturally to a lot of people.

On a more formal level, philosophy is thinking about life, the nature of the universe, etc. within a certain framework--a set of rules that helps direct one's thinking. And, that doesn't come as naturally.


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18 Jan 2015, 1:38 pm

Thank you for sharing your thoughts everyone, for some reason I feel a little more mature now and that I learned much about philosphy
I read the second link but the first link didn't work so I googled academic discipline of philosophy to get an idea
Now I also think science and philosphy are related because many people consider science as the way to find truth and I think finding truth is philosphical because the truth for everyone differs; people's outlook on things like I mentioned before creates their philosphies and everyone has different lives and histories and genetics too I guess, so they would view the world differently thus different truths are created and also because its a human trait because philosphy only exists in humans as far as I know; animals and other organisms are very simple, they just live to survive the day or do their job as how I really see it



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18 Jan 2015, 7:32 pm

Science belongs to the philosophical branch known as epistemology.



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19 Jan 2015, 5:56 am

How does science belong to philosphy??? Maybe scientific theories because theories aren't proven, they're just someone's way of thinking and imagining things, many if not all have no proof of being the 'truth'
I always thought of science as something to be very accurate



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19 Jan 2015, 8:22 am

Zajie wrote:
How does science belong to philosphy???

Shouldn't it be?



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19 Jan 2015, 11:24 am

Philosophy IS wHere Art

AND Science

come together

to form human REaLiTy.

IT is NEVER AS SIMPLE AS

Systemizing alone.

AND

IT is NEVER AS SIMPLE AS Art Alone.

AS whole it is Neither ARtistic or AUtistic.. AS one.

It is R AND U AND U AND R AllONE.

To systemize AS scribe IS nice..

BUT to create IS divine..

ALIVE.

A major problem with westernized philosophy to present date culture and religion, in general, per the predicates of human repression, oppression, and subjugation of human nature through illusory fears designed to CONTROL human beings for power AND/or materialistic greed.. IS..

A lack of common sense where physical, including emotional and sensual/sexual intelligence IS INCLUDED AS THE PRIMARY DIRECTOR as HUMAN MOTIVATING FORCE!

Philosophy in the past IS STUCK IN THE HEAD, SIMILAR TO MODERN WAYS OF ABSTRACT LANGUAGE, RESULTING COLLECTIVE INTELLIGENCE, AND THE COMPLEX culture, which FEEDs the illusions to humanKIND that humans are something other than CREATIVE SOCIAL physical ANIMALS, with the force of PHYSICAL INTELLIGENCE that even science now shows drives emotional intelligence by regulating it, AS WELL as better integrating the sensory experience of life, and of course SEX AND LUST THAT SCIENCE NOW SHOWS IS THE DRIVING FORCE OF HUMAN creativity and productivity, with of COURSE THE EMPATHIC POWER OF HUMAN LOVE to temper lust to raise babies with the love of mom and pop ways...

Live in the mind of complex abstract language THOUGHT as TOOL for survival AND LIVE LESS THAN half a life; IT IS that simple.

But overall, WESTERNIZED philosophies, cultures, religions, and even SCIENCE IS SLOW TO CATCH up with this more proficient Eastern Way of philosophical REAL LIFE ACTION.

THE metaphor of CHI IS CORRECT FROM THE START.

'WE' CREATE WITH THE POWER OF THE sensual AND EMOTIONAL force of CHI.. WitH whatever nerves, neuro-chemicals, neuro-hormones, and FREE FLOWING ART OF Physical intelligence COME TOGETHER TO drive emotional regulation, sensory integration, AND EXECUTIVE FUNCTIONING, per focus and memory comprising this metaphor for HUMAN FIRING ON ALL CYLINDERS available.

AND some forms of Autism are a clue to A CANARY in A COAL MINE.



CULTURAL environment CAN be a REAL CANARY KICKER.

And hell yeah, I know and feel this all too well from REAL LIFE EXPERIENCE.

TO CONQUER IT IS..
WELL..

SIMPLY BLISS, ALL the time NOW. ;)

And that's the TRUTH.



AMEN
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