Is Nirvana Real?

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I don't think enlightenment works that way. You're close, but I'm pretty sure you have to completely shed your material existence to achieve enlightenment. How one does this, is a good question. It kind of baffles me, because as a materialist, I see a person's body as being the person. I probably wouldn't be a very good Buddhist then.

we have all been enlightened
the length of time
may have been a split second
or a whole day
or whole year

very few people are in a constant
never ending state of enlightenment
maybe none

never ending bliss
will be easy to see
on their face
you will feel it
coming off them

ecstatic preachers often summon this state
or something very close to it
BS maybe
some actors and rock stars
get close too

if you wish to follow an enlightened one....
look for
long duration

my neighbours cat also
after lying in the sun
filled with
'light'

meow

Yes.. this is correct.

Meow2..

Nah..

A truly enlightened person 'shouts' THE LIGHT
AND TRUTH, from the 'Rooftop of Mountains!..

It's the kind of light

THAT CAN NEVER BE HIDDEN.

AND WILL NOT BE HIDDEN...

AND MOST OF ALL; MUST BE SHARED..

SO OTHERS WILL KNOW IT IS REAL!

TRULY, 'Yogi's' that hide up 'in the mountains'
and never share it; never have it to begin
with, as light without sharing
is still dark, after all is said
and done.

LIGHT THAT IS SHARED,
AS UNCONDITIONAL LOVE
GOES ON AND ON AND ON;

AND NEVER BURNS OUT AS LONG AS HUMANS
CARRY ON WITH THAT TORCH OF LIGHT
BURNING BRIGHT IN HEART/SOUL AND
MOST IMPORTANTLY EXPRESSING IT IN ALL WAYS
POSSIBLE IN SPIRIT OF TRUTH AND LIGHT!..

Blocking out reality, as flesh and blood emotions,
per what some folks suggest is enlightenment
is just frigging repressing human nature as is.

To be fully enlightened, is to share the FULL HUMAN CONDITION
PER ALL SENSES, PRO-SOCIAL EMOTIONS,
AND HUMAN EMPATHIC CONNECTIONS, IN BOTH COGNITIVE AND
AFFECTIVE EMPATHY;
ALL NATURAL, AS THE SOCIAL ANIMALS WE ARE EVOLVED TO
BE TO CONNECT TO EACH OTHER IN SPIRIT AND THE REST
OF NATURE TOO, in mind and body balance driven by

GREATER PHYSICAL INTELLIGENCE DRIVING EMOTIONAL
REGULATION, Sensory Integration AND Cognitive
Executive Functioning, enhancing focus
and short term working memory.

BUT truly the video here,
is a fair representation too;



Where Kung FU TEACHERS AND students COME TO
understand that pro-social emotion must be fully
expressed to even be a human being in the first place.

Whenever I see a Yoga Student, or a Tai Chi student with a glum face
and monotone voice, I know they have truly killed their heart, soul,
and spirit, and call that enlightenment that is truly false and
the farthest thing away from
human being, possible in this
life, at least,
AS
IS..

AND of course, eliminating illusory fears,
through physical intelligence, regulating fear,
in mind and body balance, in the present of NOW,
is a must for any light AND truth, to happen at all.

I hope if you don't mind if I wander off the strictly Buddhist outlook but if you look at reincarnational evolution of consciousness you're talking about millions of years, many many lives, much of that time spent in states that are beyond human form, some of that time between spending time in the 'withdrawn order' working with people's intuitions around the planet, etc.. In that sense one life is hardly a lens that's helpful.

One book that was particularly interesting to me, came as a recommendation from Manly P Hall in his Spiritual Unfoldment book Was AP Sinnett's Esoteric Buddhism (free pdf online). AP Sinnett's source talks about this being as such an extended process that after a while, particularly with the concept of nirvana, it goes beyond the scope of human language because it's too many times derived and removed from our present way of being/doing. I don't know if if it's specifically Theosophic dogma but it seems the emphasis here is the same as Christian mysticism; less self-deletion than the road of re-fusing with God that one finds in the western mysteries.

Do I believe in all of this? I can't verify it or prove it but it makes a heck of a lot of sense. Have had quite significant experiences with astral light, kundalini, and manifestations that I've more sensed than felt but sensed vividly - I'm sure as that increases in my life and gains more nuance I'll find ever more concrete evidence past the intellectual that life and discarnation are just varying degrees of limitation for what really all chains together as one experience. I do see a lot of evidence, mostly either ignored these days or being a particular sore spot for materialists where they immediately lash back with ridicule if you bring em up - double-slit/quantum eraser or global consciousness project. These seem to show a mostly stable universe, stable enough for engineers to keep on engineering, physicists to keep smashing atoms and learning more about matter, but enough in the quantum chaos for a person's will to bend reality in small ways with their thinking, whole lines of dynamics that suggest themselves without necessarily pointing out what part of our subjective experience they are.

To me if consciousness extends through the universe and weaves in and out of us, one can't help but get the sense that there's no reason for it to be destroyed, for memory of experience to be ultimately deleted even if a person's nervous system might decay with age (it's a bit like having Carbonite or Dropbox for all of that ), and again - evidence of evolution being a forward progress or one that at least drives out it's backward motions seems like it could possibly be a law of the entire universe; if with physical forms why not with consciousness.

From that perspective I'd consider enlightenment and the like a good goal because in the process you can't help but get better. You fine hone your nervous systems, you make a habit of both weeding out bad habits and cultivating good ones, your mind becomes an increasingly efficient machine and the degree of internal dissonance you have with conflicting ethics or beliefs takes less of your energy because you're unifying your brain. To me it's like the joy of computer hacking on my own mind to improve it and improve myself whether I'd use Bardon, Regardie, Crowley, Case, Fortune, or Spencer-Lewis's systems for my basis. Politics being pretty much broken as a means to change the world at this point - the idea of building the internal adytum, the temple not wrought with human hands, makes perfect sense because the world seems to evolve and improve as each individual life improves.

^^^

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Aw man, you beat me to it.

BTW, today is the 21st anniversary of Kurt Cobain's death.

Hoggy, that isn't enlightenment. You described how it is to become a guru. If you are enlightened, you have no reason to share.

Yes, I am A enlightened Guru..

"Those who say do not know, those who know do not say." Tao Te Ching by Laotse

Yes, Nirvana is real. Kurt Cobain created it.

And those who stay in the past,

AND do not
IMAGINE
AND
CREATE
new WORDS
AND phrases,

AND ways of
knowing and
feeling
AND MOVING,

LIVE IN THE PAST.

i choose now and
CREATE NOW, AS I PLEASE..
I NEED FOLLOW no one's footsteps
or phrases...

as

I WILL
WITH
RELATIVE
HUMAN
FREE WILL,
JUST DO IT AS I WILL,
AND AS I PLEASE WITHOUT
WORRY FROM THE NAY SAYERS
AND POOH POOHERS OF LIFE, WHO
DO NOT HAVE A FRIGGING CLUE WHAT

i'm talking about....

Hog: Did anyone suspect you of being a megalomaniac before?

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